The fact that our young people have been captured by this hatred masquerading as wokeness should be a wake up call to every liberal everywhere. Wokeness is no longer just silly nonsense we can look the other way on, it is deadly dangerous nonsense that we must rise up and push back on vocally. The consequences are too dire to let our universities become havens of illiberal hate and other crazy ideas. It’s time to speak up and speak out. The fear of cancellation be damned.
This reminds me of my favorite meme of David French, in black and white, standing in front of a 1940s train car being loaded with people and the thought bubble over his head is
“We must defeat them in the marketplace of ideas!!”
My prediction that everyone will eventually agree with me that Democrats are possessed by Satan, but only when it is way too late, continues to be my best prediction.
What makes you think they don't love and side with Satan? This summer, the largest Satan Convention gathered in Boston. Look it up. Clips are probably on Youtube. Oh btw, I've been told the Church of Satan or whatever central organization that heads this flock is "not really" about worshipping Satan, but a pro free speech organization.
When every Dem is possessed by Satan, they'll just say Satan is the victim and we need to respect his/they pronouns.
Funny! And thanks for a moment of levity while we try to float on our backs in this morass of ignorance, float rather than sink - for we surely can't swim through it.
The Satanic Temple and the Church of Satan are two different things.
“One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.”
“The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.”
“One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.”
“The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.”
“Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.”
"People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused."
"Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word."
Their Seven Principles aren't "Satanic" are they? But then again; neither was Satan. In the Jewish tradition, they are God's Attorney General, testing folk to see if they are the real deal. The role they undertake in 'Job' and the Synoptic Gospels. Y'all are victims of the bad Greek of your clerics.
They can speak freely. I do not care to silence them but argue, dispute and rwfute I will. To be fair though I am not seeing anti-semitism in my location.
I have been thinking a lot about the genocide in Rwanda lately where neighbors rose up against neighbor and killed the with machetes. How could one kill a neighbor like that- but now I am beginning to understand how hatred builds and things get out of hand. We all need to repent of our wrongdoing and turn back to God
I think leftist America is lost. California, Oregon, Washington, New York, and those hard left states are not going to be coming back to sanity. The radicals have taken over there and once the far left takes over something, you don't get it back.
You can save part of America, but frankly, it will take a national divorce to do it.
So... you want another Civil War MTG? It was MTG (Marjorie Taylor Green) who only just last summer suggested a “national divorce”. That’s what a civil war is. I know this Hamas/Israel War is beyond just upsetting and frightening, but keep your head and don’t believe that another American civil war would in any way make life better for anyone.
I’m a liberal Californian who stands in solidarity with Israel and Jews everywhere. Hamas are cowards. They don’t mind killing 10 of their own children if that’s what takes to kill one Jew. It is their sworn obligation. They long for martyrdom by believing wearing a bomb vest to kill as many Jews possible will bestow them that honor. That is not rational thinking even in the deepest grip of war.
Seeing young people, especially college students, demonstrate in favor of Hamas is very distressing. It frightens me.
I'm a center-right Jew in NJ who grew up in a Democratic family. I basically went through a "red-pilling" very early in life, for a variety of reasons too long to go into here.
A national divorce is a civil war only if the ruling leftists (and the Democrats now are mostly an illiberal -that is, intolerant of dissent - leftist party) want it to be. If those of us on the right are so "deplorable" and "irredeemable" (to use Hillary's words), then why don't you want us gone?
The belief among Republican rank-and-file for secession is not yet a majority, but it is a growing minority. We see a left that has captured every institution, that is trying to silence us, economically blacklist and marginalize us, vilify us, demonize us and dehumanize us. We see an election process that is corrupt and rigged against us (long before 2020 we understood that there was a Democrat "margin of fraud") and we see a weaponized justice system that lets Democrats basically get away with anything but calls people who speak up at school board meetings about allowing "trans men" in girls' bathrooms as terrorists. You and I almost certainly consume different media apart from this, so you don't get a feel for how badly those of us not on the left feel threatened.
Let me ask you - do you believe the differences between leftist and rightist states are greater now than between the North and the South before the civil war? We can't even agree these days on what a woman is, for God's sake. If so, what stops a civil war now?
As for lambasting Marjorie Taylor Greene - yes, more conservative than me, but if I had to vote for either her or a member of the Squad running against each other in a Congressional race, I'm pulling the lever for MTG.
It hits Jews more directly, but to lifelong Jewish Democrats, I ask this - which political party will keep you alive? After that, all other issues are secondary. How can you worry about abortion, gay marriage and environmental issues if you are dead?
If there is a Civil War, it will not be fought with guns. The left controls every institution. They will merely cut off your water, electricity, Internet, heat access to medical care, access to credit cards, and slowly siege you into submission. The people who think guns will be the answer, I ask who will you shoot?
Wow. I never really thought about that aspect. Not one single shot needs to be fired. With as much data as the government has on each of us it won't be hard to completely halt an individual's very existence--just by pushing a button. Did you vote the wrong way, join the wrong group, speak the wrong thing at a school board meeting? Suddenly you have no internet, electricity, your debit card doesn't work and armed IRS agents are at your door.
I don't expect a true civil war in the United States, because I think there are very few on the right who would fire on American troops, or even police (FBI, ATF, EPA might be different). But I can definitely foresee battles in the streets between modern Red Guards and Stormtroopers.
It proves what I have said all along. The Dem/Soc Party is the party of evil. It is now siding with terrorists. No wonder they won't censure the squad. They agree with them.
How can any decent human being vote for the party of terrorism?
I have been thinking- what would the Republicans have to do that would make me not want to vote for them- it would definitely have to be something horrific- but then- could I actually vote for the Democrats? I don’t think so because of their pro abortion stance. I think I would just sit on the sidelines. It’s something worth reflecting on, I think
Whose administration was creating peace treaties in the Middle East while no wars started on their watch? What else do you need to know?
Get past the hyperbole and the anger at spin words and evaluate the deeds. There is no comparison between Repubs and Dems at this time. Two years of, "I have incontrovertible proof Trump is guilty", and a partisan impeachment says much more negative about the Dems than the Repubs. Another partisan not guilty. Most telling leon Panetta, the epitome of integrity?, still asserting his signature on the totally discredited hunter biden laptop story is Russian disinformation letter was a righteous thing to do. Why did the media stop counting lies when joe took over? Did they know his, would far surpass Trump's in number and brazenness?s Remember two promise from biden;
I will find the soul of this country and unite it. He never even tried.
I will fundamentally change this country. Unfortunately he has been very successful at the second.
I am no Trump lover, but what the haters and non thinking Americans forget, get rid the names because it is about the systems stupid! While watching the left's shiny object, Trump, they are stealing your country. You don't need to be woke, just wake up!
Agree. I’m an independent, but I see one party has lost their mind and uses authoritarian tactics to silence and prosecute those who disagree. They will bend the rule of law because the ends justify the means. And many of their members disagree but don’t change anything. That’s not something I can trust. The Republicans just need to get their shit together...or we need a third party.
Abortion, gay rights, environment - what good does it do you to agree with a party on those issues if that party wants you dead?
You probably also have a badly distorted and caricaturish notion about Republicans, brought to you by an increasingly radicalized, leftist media.
If you know that media is lying to you about Israel, why should you trust them to get other issues right? Why would they be so wrong about Israel, yet so right about Republicans.
If you have not heard of it, look up the "Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect"
Sitting on the sidelines results in loading cattle cars with people bound for extermination camps. When they come for YOU don't you hope I am willing to speak up, stand up?
The antisemites are very well organized. They have joined with BLM and ANTIFA to get their membership lists, and they have lots of experience with organizing flash mobs. The similarly of the slogans and the pre-printed placards indicates central control. Jews and our supporters are far behind in terms of use of technology and connectedness; that's why there are so few demonstrations in support of Israel.
"Most of us failed to recognize it for many years."
Who, exactly, is "MOST of us"? And who, exactly, is "US"? Millions of people recognize the evil, and the blatant assent to the demonization of Israel! It is just that some actually CARE while the others vilify those who DO! People who believe that evil is GOOD really KNOW that what they believe is evil, but since it is also POPULAR, they also accept it as truth!
I have yet to hear a world leader say that in order to save Palestinians in Gaza, Hamas should immediately lay down their weapons, release the hostages and surrender. It would save a lot of lives if they did. It’s shameful that the press and world leaders don’t.
The press can’t do that because it would concede decades of Democrat foreign policy failure. European countries can’t do that because they imported a shitload of terrorists and they would start massacring people. Arab countries can’t do that because most of their citizens are Muslims who also want to exterminate Jews.
You're missing The point. If you understand Nothing else, understand This. There is NO free press in Saudi Arabia (And the Arab world). There was a Brief peiod after 9-11 when there was an independent media (Blogs) in the kingdom. That laste2-3-4 years The Kingdom put an end to that.
This has nothing to do with Yahyah Sinwar and if he should Stay or Go. This was published with the blessing/approval of the Saudi government. Otherwise it would never been published. It was a message to Hamas...well actually Iran that (and the broader Arab World) The Saudi's are NOT happy with what is going on. Further, I'd make a small wager that privately and message was sent to the Israelis..You Do What You Have To.
Hamas is the Muslim Brotherhood's Palestine branch. There is no love lost between the Brotherhood and the Saudi royal family, so it is possible that that message you reference didn't even need to be sent. The Brotherhood favors clerical rule, (a Sunni version of Iran, in effect) while the Saudi royal family wants to ...well, stay royal.
I have come to understand that Hamas and the left here in the States have a lot in common - no retreat, no surrender rather just demand full capitulation.
Oh my gosh, I, like many others spend a lot of time thinking about a solution and come up empty. You hit the nail square on the head. Perfect solution!!
Please don't tar all Christianity with the same brush. That would be bigoted. I am in solidarity with you. I have never ever heard preached, in my 68 years, anything like "Jews killed Christ." Now is not the time to trot out that trope because I don't know one Christian or Catholic that is not standing WITH Israel against these atrocities. Look up the heroic saint-priests who were also imprisoned at Auschwitz and died trying to save Jews.
Amen! The ROMANS killed Jesus, and if you read the whole of any of the Gospels, which I recommend, then you would realize even Jesus’ friends and followers were complicit in his death. Peter was redeemed because he was remorseful. Judas was not because he lost hope and took his own life. As a Catholic Christian, please know I am on your side! Divide and conquer your enemies, NOT your friends!
A slight correction, Hecktotheknow. The Catholic Church teaches that ALL of us crucified Christ -- he, the sinless one, took OUR sins to the cross with him; he died for ALL men.
As an atheist, I cannot blame the Jews for deicide. In fact, if I were to join a religion for social reasons, I'd become a Jew (but being an atheist, I'm disqualified!) So I'll just support them as best as I can.
Most Catholics realize that THIS pope is a leftist stooge from the "liberation theological" school in South America. Forget the saint whose name he appropriated, he is NOT that gentle and thoughtful saint's expression.
I don’t really keep up with the Pope but I was very confused when, in Italy in 2014, I was informed that the current Pope wasn’t the real pope, just a stand-in for his Holiness.
I don’t see any redemption for the people in America who believe what the newspapers, social media, the MSM and now I hear that 140 elected Democrats refused to condemn Hamas! How could our MSM BROADCAST a lie about the missile hitting a hospital and killing 500 people? And these aren’t small news media. These are major ones. How can they broadcast lies from a terrorist group. What the hell is wrong with these people? Where is the outrage against Hamas?Are we being turned into a leftist state. How could our young people be so brainwashed to protest against the Jews? I knew it was bad but this is far from that, this is insanity! How can we possibly rid our country of this?
The youngest few generations are probably lost. Once brainwashed it’s really hard if not impossible to get them back. We need to focus on the current and future generations.
Our education system is full of teachers and administrators who are brainless and brainwashed liberals. We (normal people) need to participate in school boards and volunteer to help in schools any way we can. We need to set up alternative schools. We need to donate money to good schools not the idiots who run schools like Harvard.
Leftists know that if they control education they control the future. We are close to a tipping point. It’s a long haul solution, but really the only one.
It's not only the education system. Gen Z, which make up the 18-24-year-olds who side with Hamas, were mostly raised with no religious faith. They don't have the Biblical foundation of the Ten Commandments and Do Unto Others of the New Testament. They were not raised to believe that murder is a sin that will send you to Hell. If you were raised with that, even if you let your faith lapse and stop practicing, that always stays with you. These Judeo-Christian principles are what helped this country survive this long and get through the Civil War, Great Depression, two World Wars and 9/11.
Donna, I am one year younger than you and that has also been my experience. I do not know any Christians or Catholics who are not heartsick about the tragedy on October 7th. Hamas is completely responsible; it's ludicrous & satanic to say otherwise. Praying for peace in Jerusalem & for Israel.
The Gospel of John and sundry other antisemitic writings remain in the New Testament; while they do it would be wise not to trust any of you one inch. Balls in your court; while that obscenity remains in the Xtian scriptures you are not to be trusted. 2000 years of history shows that.
Yes. I was taught we all killed Jesus. You and me, all of us. He came to die because he knew none of us would ever make it on our own merits or works to reach salvation. He knew our sins before we were even born and sacrificed himself because he loved us that much. “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son”
Well said. The author lost me with the Christians blame the Jews for killing Jesus. Oi Vay!!! I am an active practicing Christian and have NEVER blamed the Jews for crucifying Jesus. I respect the Jews that they don’t believe Jesus is their saviour, the author should also respect that the son of God was crucified by mankind the majority who were too stupid and ego driven to understand the peace and grace of Jesus Christ. 🤦♂️
I'm Christian, but he was not wrong. Jews have historically been blamed for that, called Christ-killers, and even right now I see random comments around the Internet doing the same thing. Or worse: "This happened to the Jews because they don't accept Christ as their Lord and Savior."
So Jews get it from the Muslims and from the Christians, just not as bad as from the Muslims.
I went to Catholic school, and we were never taught to blame the Jews for crucifying Jesus.
I have to disagree. The literalists and fundamentalists love Israel. Could you be conflating them with extremist "Christian" white supremacy groups who are on the fringe? I don't deny they exist but they are heretical and not accepted by most Christians.
I have heard black Penecostal ministers use this old canard. I’ve also heard the tropes about the red calf and the coming rapture when Jews accept Jesus as the Messiah. I know this is not all Protestants but the sentiment exists amongst some.
OK, for the sake of discussion, I'll stipulate that you're right. But you might want to consider that some conservative Christians are getting a wee bit tired of having their support of Israel critiqued by Israelis and their supporters in the English-language media. Constantly. At some point, if you don't feel that your support is being appreciated, you start to wonder if you should direct your efforts elsewhere.
Most Israelis know that American Christians are their most fervent supporters. Mr. Oren in his distress focuses on the past when he describes Christian attitudes. I have many Christian friends and those attitudes are foreign to them.
Pentecosts are fundamentalists. And the rapture may be playing out if Israel stands alone. I'm guessing if He returns in those circumstances He may well be recognized as the Messiah.
It seems to me that you have a straw man understanding of Christian feelings towards Israel that lacks nuance and makes a caricature of a huge group of people's deeply held beliefs.
Wrong. The Catholic Church (which is the first church- all others are off shoots, including main line Protestant churches) believes no such thing. If you don't want to accept our support of Israel and put "love" in quotes, well I would say that says more about you than the group about which you speak.
"The Jews killed our Jesus" was Catholic Church policy until 1965, when the Vatican officially rejected it. The Church changed for the better on that issue, for which I thank all of you.
Well, I hope Israel can find enough people to support it, who hold a FULL range of beliefs Israelis find acceptable. Because it seems to me that, now, Israel needs allies. So, perhaps its voices in the media shouldn't be so picky?
Thank you for pointing out this truth @Donna Hartley Lucas. I grew up in a church in Texas where we prayed for the peace of Jerusalem and loved and blessed Israel. My own upbringing included love and admiration of Israel and Jewish people. I'm devastated at what happened to Israel on October 7th and praying continually for hostages, wisdom and guidance over IDF/Israeli government. As a follower of Jesus, I also pray for any innocent people in Gaza that are truly caught in the middle, but I unreservedly stand with Israel. The anti-semitism that is being exposed all over the world is sickening/shocking, so 1930s like. On another point about who killed Jesus, yes it was the Romans in a technical sense, but really here is exactly what Jesus believed about his forthcoming death and resurrection (no blame on His own beloved people):
John 10:17-18 NLT
[17] “The Father loves me because I sacrifice my life so I may take it back again. [18] No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.”
As one of two Jews who were active in a Christian charitable organization supporting five orphanages in Nicaragua, I only know love from my Christian brothers and sisters.
I just said out loud when I read that part - “he just lost me, I’ve literally never thought of, believed, or been taught the Jewish people were to blame for Christ’s death”...
Most importantly, whether it was the Jewish leaders (not people as a whole), the Romans, and/or us as sinners - the crucifixion was necessary for our salvation so to think blaming anyone for Christ’s death would catalyze a religion in any sense makes...no sense.
Unfortunately, the church has a sordid history of vicious, evil anti semitism. Probably not now and maybe not in your circles. Look up some of Martin Luther’s ( yes, him) statements on Jews for example, and look up the actions of the church in Germany during the holocaust for another example. Also look up “replacement theory”, a widely held philosophy by many many Christians. As a Christian, we must acknowledge that as a group and as individuals, we are capable of evil (obviously), and are often deadly wrong. I believe we must constantly seek truth, fidelity to God’s Word and leave our hearts and consciences open fully, to the leading of God who will always lead us by His Word and His Holy Spirit, away from darkness and deception, to truth and light.
Yes, Amen to allowing the Holy Spirit to lead us into, and keep us in truth. What you wrote about Martin Luther and the most of the German Church during WW2 is true, and I'm keenly aware of this as a believer but even then the true church that was led by the Spirit of God pulled away from the mainline Lutheran National Church of it's day and became the Confessing Church which opposed Hitler and Nazism. Some of their group in the Confessing Church resisted up to and including assassination attempts against Hitler and unto the giving of their own lives in concentration camps for righteousness in defense of Jewish brothers and sisters. The best book I've found on this subject of the smaller number of German Christians that stood against the status quo is "Bonhoeffer: Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy" by Eric Metaxas.
It's tragic that all the church didn't band together and resist this evil, and Hitler himself hated Christians and viewed them as weak as he was a satanic man himself. Martin Luther's horrible comments against Jewish people came at the end of his life and were used against Jewish people by Hitler.
True followers of Yeshua love Jewish people and will stand with them and defend them. As believers, we follow the Resurrected Jewish Man Jesus, He was and always will be Jewish.❤️
Thank you! I came to the comments to say the same thing. I have never ever heard that preached either. Jesus went willingly. He followed the Father’s will.
Exactly. I’ve never heard it either and I’ve been Southern Baptist, nearly wooed by the Catholics and now happily a Methodist. Bringing up what followers of any faith did in the past, as evidence of present guilt, seems to be the justification the antisemites are using. Christians are with you, even if you must disparage us.
Growing up in the South in the 1970s antisemitism was de rigueur. I used to get asked “What? You don’t believe in Jesus?! What’s wrong with you?” almost daily. And the occasional ass kicking thrown in for good measure. Fun times.
I recently had someone who didn't know I'm Jewish, tell she had an ad on FB marketplace and people were trying to "Jew her down". I've heard remarks before, but for some reason this hurt me so. Because of current events, I suppose.
Chilblain - Same. I grew up in Greenville South Carolina, home to Bob Jones University. I can’t count the number of times I was told that ‘my people’ killed Jesus. At first, I tried to have civil discussions, but it was exhausting and fruitless. At my first job as an engineer, in 1998, I would get evangelical tracts left on my desk. I thought it was regional, until I ran into actual Holocaust deniers in the Pacific Northwest, at work. I treasure the people who see me for my humanity and not as a token to collect, and who have the moral courage to see through toxic ideologies.
Somebody commented a month or so ago that Boston was the most prejudiced place they personally witnessed. I think they are rough people. Sounds like your 'hood.
I'm not sure if this type of comment will be welcome here because it is personal and religious in nature, but I was deeply upset by this article so I will speak my mind. I do not disagree with the main premise because I have been sick at heart to see this hatred of Jews. I am a Christian and was raised in evangelical Christian America. My childhood was filled with stories about Israel, God's love for Israel, and prayers for Israel. God will not forsake his people. My community was deeply upset when the Israel was forced to give up the high ground of the Gaza strip. I am not an expert and nowhere near as educated about this topic as the author; however, I can assure you that the notion of "Twisting this is a Christian belief that all Jews were present at, and responsible for, the crucifixion." is not apart of our belief system. Neither Jew nor Gentile understood what Jesus was doing, not even his own disciples. We worship Jesus, who is a JEW. We love Israel and bless Israel, God's chosen people. The enemy hates Israel because God is saving all of humanity through Israel. His promises are never null and void.
Katie, all comments and perspectives are welcome here. I feel your solidarity with our pain. Your words are beautiful, and represent the true and heartfelt thoughts of so many true Christians as we all walk through the gates of this new hell. Never be afraid to speak.
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” Deuteronomy 6:4. Jesus remarks on this in Mark 12:29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
I don’t know what else we need to hear. I stand with humanity and I know what I stand against. In the end, I know where I will lay myself down if necessary.
“Twisting this is a Christian belief that all Jews were present at, and responsible for, the crucifixion. More than Pilate, more than Judas—a name not chosen randomly—the Jews were damned for deicide.”
I am hardly alone in understanding that ‘this Christian belief’ as stated here was and remains a Christian heresy. The Christian churches to which I have belonged over the past 60+ years believe the Jews to be God’s chosen people for whom Christ died - as He did for all of God’s children. To be clear, someone who claims to be a disciple of Jesus of Nazareth while demonstrating hate for Jewish people is a liar!
My heart breaks for Israel and the Jewish community. It is surreal to live through a time where it is crystal clear how propaganda could have convinced some useful idiots to allow their hate to turn into violence, like in the Holocaust.
Seeing the Hamas/Palestine protests makes me feel ill. Families didn’t even have a day for grief after the horrible attack on the 7th before the concern shifted towards Palestinians. Of course, no decent human wants to see innocent people die on either side of this conflict, but I just can’t fathom how some American progressives and Muslims can not comprehend the gravity of the attack and the lack of support for the Jewish community from these groups is sickening.
I’m chilled by what you are writing as I have been feeling this for a week now. How we so vastly overestimated our worth and contributions to society that would prevent this and how we underestimated how close we Jews really are. The wake up call has been around for years. It’s now blatantly back, unmasked and terrifying. College students barricaded in campus libraries is just the beginning. We must now be united as one, we must guard and protect our communities, we are all Israelis. Am Israel Chai
I’m 67 years old and grew up in the suburbs across the Hudson River where many of my Jewish friends also lived. Our community was basically 1/3 Protestant, 1/3 Catholic, and 1/3 Jewish. Yup, we were aware of our religious differences but they meant little. We were invited to our friends bar mitzvah or bas mitzvah and what a wonderful time we had. I remember parents and family so proud of their children reciting the scripture, all the guys wearing a yarmulke/kippah (gentiles too). After college I moved with my husband and 3 daughters from CA to IL and then settling in VA. for past 30 years where we eventually retired. I am shocked and ashamed by many UVA students and their pro-Palestine protests. This is so college and media driven. Let me remind you I’m from NY and can’t believe they melted the Robert E Lee statue in secret in Charlottesville. How do we learn from our past if we obliterate what and why this West Point graduate chose to fight for his southern roots. Sorry to believe that many young people have no allegiance to there hometowns, family beliefs, the American story. What and why is the real reason more people want to live in the USA than any other country!
We live in a place that more people in the world wish to live in than any other country on our planet! Wish the people who were lucky enough to be born here realized how lucky they are and maybe they should be grateful for their blessings.
It seems to me that what we are experiencing now is another manifestation of a phenomena that began millennia ago. The technology and weapons have grown in reach and lethality, but human nature has not changed in the slightest. Both of our designated World Wars began with an increase in anti-semitism. It appears that it is the lot of humanity to have a periodic conflagration to, if nothing else, demonstrate the precious value of peace.
Of course there are antisemitic people, but I actually don't think that's the root of the anti-Zionist protest we're seeing in progressive circles. These are the same people who say all white people are racists and need to be cleansed with DEI training. They are the same people who say trans-women ARE women and tell us to say ridiculous things like "pregnant men". These are the same people who think you should die if you refused to get vaccinated for covid. They are a type. They think they are moral and right and anyone who disagrees with them about these issues is evil and stupid. They take a side and defend it in the face of objective facts that contradict their side. They defend their side even if it drives them to make absolutely outrageous claims. They will not give in no matter how wrong they are because then they have to admit they aren't so righteous and their enemies aren't so evil. These are the people praising the terrorists and siding with Hamas, they have to do it because if they don't side with Hamas, they aren't sticking to the anti-colonialist guns. It would require them to give ground. Their positions drive them to the edge of a cliff and they would rather jump off of it than admit they are wrong.
Very good observation but there is something fundamentally lacking in these peoples lives. They seem to be incredibly narcissistic and void of real purpose. Does joining whatever the latest outraged group cause is fill that empty void? It is my hope the majority will eventually wake up. I’m not sure what it will take. I find the mindless echoing of hate filled chants chilling. It’s definitely a form of brainwashing.
Anti-Semitism may not be the root of what we’re seeing from progressives, but it’s certainly embedded in the Kool-Aid they have drunk. In the end, it’s splitting hairs. If you tear down posters of kidnapped Jewish children and advocate for organizations whose charter is to exterminate Jews, your motivations are beside the point. You’re antisemitic.
Yeah I don’t think this is because they are antisemites, I think they are dull in their education and misled on a whole host of issues. I am personally becoming weary of this motive-posting stuff. I think it’s safe to say, like you state so well, is bonkers enough at this point they’d drive off a cliff if it meant the right thing to their peers. Doesn’t mean they have anything against living themselves, just so focused on what they perceive their peers believe.
I listened to a BBC anchor "interviewing" an IDF spokesman this morning on NPR in Boston. Actually, she was lecturing him. Thankfully, he wasn't having it, but patiently tried to explain to her that the IDF isn't trying to kill Palestinians. He then said, probably for the millionth time, that the IDF has no choice but to go after Hamas terrorists when they hide behind Palestinian civilians.
Yet the BBC anchor continued to object to this, without disputing the fact that hiding behind civilians is the Hamas strategy. In fact, she said it is a "common practice" of Hamas "militants" to hide behind civilians, as if that somehow justifies it. And she then insisted repeatedly that the IDF retaliation is "not working." Michael Oren is right. Too many so-called journalists in the liberal mainstream media may listen, or pretend to listen, to the Israeli side, but they will never be convinced.
You know how these Democrat-funded Palestinian Rapists are known for blowing up pizza shops and then waiting for the ambulances to arrive to detonate a larger secondary blast? This makes me think they might already have the Iranian Suitcase in North Gaza. Just a thought.
Speaking of which, do you think the Los Angeles Times will release the audio of Muslim Communist Barack Hussein Obama, toasting Rashid Khalidi, before or after the aforementioned suitcase explodes?
Also, when the Democrat-funded Iranian suitcase explodes, killing millions, do you think the Global Democrat Left will finally admit that their perverse and psychopathic vision of themselves as magnanimous, pious, and empathetic wizards, who really just love people with brown skin, was actually nothing more than a deceptive ploy to cover up the fact that they were enabling a second Holocaust by behaving like irresponsible pussies?
My analogy about how, when your roommate lets a rabid dog in the house you aren’t really mad at the dog and, while you have to kill the dog first, you also have to beat the shit out of your roommate, continues to be a good analogy.
My initial dark suspicion as to timing was that Iran's nuclear capability was finally sufficiently advanced; and that therefore they gave the 10/7 go-ahead.
Fifteen unemployed racist douchebags with torches does not require explaining.
Tens of thousands of Democrats, who want to exterminate the Jews, marching in every city and at all of our top tier universities, requires explaining and a plan for ideological eradication.
Okay, to be fair, it doesn’t require explaining because everyone already knows that Democrats support Hamas because Democrats are despicable communist sacks of shit.
Don’t forget to show your Jewish and Israeli friends, colleagues, and neighbors love and support. Don’t be afraid to mention it.
The tiptoeing around this issue to not offend “both sides” in the corporate world is demoralizing for our Jewish colleagues. Speak up. You know the easily offended progressives aren’t being quiet.
“Palestinian suffering supplanted that of Israelis beheaded, dismembered, and burnt. It was the gnawing awareness that dead Jews buy us only so much sympathy”
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If I was Netanyahu listening to Biden cautioning me to not make mistakes by acting in anger I would have said
“Thank you, Mr. President. I agree, and I would like to caution you, sir, to not shit your pants in front of the Pope and molest your daughter.”
But that’s why I’m not in charge of a country I guess.
I am Catholic. I see what you see. My heart breaks. I left my church in my 30's in a defiant flourish. I remember maybe a few years after that, coming home to my apartment in New York on a Friday night. My neighbors across the hall were having Shabbat dinner, reciting the prayers. I leaned my head against my own door, just listening with a longing and sadness in my heart I couldn't understand at the time, but somehow knew meant everything.
Through miracles and grace, I'm back at my Church of birth, and understand deeply where I come from. Know that there are so many brothers and sisters with you, mourning and standing shoulder to shoulder with all of you. I don't know where we are headed, but we will keep the faith with you through everything.
jew hatred , at this point i find term antisemitism tepid. most of the people are jew hating swine who don't give a fig about far worse atrocities against muslims from myanmar to syria . but the jewish state ! oh that's the evil!
The fact that our young people have been captured by this hatred masquerading as wokeness should be a wake up call to every liberal everywhere. Wokeness is no longer just silly nonsense we can look the other way on, it is deadly dangerous nonsense that we must rise up and push back on vocally. The consequences are too dire to let our universities become havens of illiberal hate and other crazy ideas. It’s time to speak up and speak out. The fear of cancellation be damned.
Free speech tho. Academic freedom.
This reminds me of my favorite meme of David French, in black and white, standing in front of a 1940s train car being loaded with people and the thought bubble over his head is
“We must defeat them in the marketplace of ideas!!”
My prediction that everyone will eventually agree with me that Democrats are possessed by Satan, but only when it is way too late, continues to be my best prediction.
What makes you think they don't love and side with Satan? This summer, the largest Satan Convention gathered in Boston. Look it up. Clips are probably on Youtube. Oh btw, I've been told the Church of Satan or whatever central organization that heads this flock is "not really" about worshipping Satan, but a pro free speech organization.
When every Dem is possessed by Satan, they'll just say Satan is the victim and we need to respect his/they pronouns.
Funny! And thanks for a moment of levity while we try to float on our backs in this morass of ignorance, float rather than sink - for we surely can't swim through it.
The Satanic Temple and the Church of Satan are two different things.
“One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.”
“The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.”
“One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.”
“The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.”
“Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.”
"People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused."
"Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word."
Their Seven Principles aren't "Satanic" are they? But then again; neither was Satan. In the Jewish tradition, they are God's Attorney General, testing folk to see if they are the real deal. The role they undertake in 'Job' and the Synoptic Gospels. Y'all are victims of the bad Greek of your clerics.
Way bigger than Democrats or your ego.
Your newsletter is $80? I want to subscribe but that's a bit steep for me.
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They can speak freely. I do not care to silence them but argue, dispute and rwfute I will. To be fair though I am not seeing anti-semitism in my location.
💯 absolutely horrific consequences are to come if we can not stop the rotting of young American minds.
I have been thinking a lot about the genocide in Rwanda lately where neighbors rose up against neighbor and killed the with machetes. How could one kill a neighbor like that- but now I am beginning to understand how hatred builds and things get out of hand. We all need to repent of our wrongdoing and turn back to God
Think about how many people stopped talking to even family members over Trump or trans. Neighbors? Neighbors are nothing,
Hallow?... Happened exactly the same to me
I think leftist America is lost. California, Oregon, Washington, New York, and those hard left states are not going to be coming back to sanity. The radicals have taken over there and once the far left takes over something, you don't get it back.
You can save part of America, but frankly, it will take a national divorce to do it.
So... you want another Civil War MTG? It was MTG (Marjorie Taylor Green) who only just last summer suggested a “national divorce”. That’s what a civil war is. I know this Hamas/Israel War is beyond just upsetting and frightening, but keep your head and don’t believe that another American civil war would in any way make life better for anyone.
I’m a liberal Californian who stands in solidarity with Israel and Jews everywhere. Hamas are cowards. They don’t mind killing 10 of their own children if that’s what takes to kill one Jew. It is their sworn obligation. They long for martyrdom by believing wearing a bomb vest to kill as many Jews possible will bestow them that honor. That is not rational thinking even in the deepest grip of war.
Seeing young people, especially college students, demonstrate in favor of Hamas is very distressing. It frightens me.
I'm a center-right Jew in NJ who grew up in a Democratic family. I basically went through a "red-pilling" very early in life, for a variety of reasons too long to go into here.
A national divorce is a civil war only if the ruling leftists (and the Democrats now are mostly an illiberal -that is, intolerant of dissent - leftist party) want it to be. If those of us on the right are so "deplorable" and "irredeemable" (to use Hillary's words), then why don't you want us gone?
The belief among Republican rank-and-file for secession is not yet a majority, but it is a growing minority. We see a left that has captured every institution, that is trying to silence us, economically blacklist and marginalize us, vilify us, demonize us and dehumanize us. We see an election process that is corrupt and rigged against us (long before 2020 we understood that there was a Democrat "margin of fraud") and we see a weaponized justice system that lets Democrats basically get away with anything but calls people who speak up at school board meetings about allowing "trans men" in girls' bathrooms as terrorists. You and I almost certainly consume different media apart from this, so you don't get a feel for how badly those of us not on the left feel threatened.
Let me ask you - do you believe the differences between leftist and rightist states are greater now than between the North and the South before the civil war? We can't even agree these days on what a woman is, for God's sake. If so, what stops a civil war now?
As for lambasting Marjorie Taylor Greene - yes, more conservative than me, but if I had to vote for either her or a member of the Squad running against each other in a Congressional race, I'm pulling the lever for MTG.
It hits Jews more directly, but to lifelong Jewish Democrats, I ask this - which political party will keep you alive? After that, all other issues are secondary. How can you worry about abortion, gay marriage and environmental issues if you are dead?
If there is a Civil War, it will not be fought with guns. The left controls every institution. They will merely cut off your water, electricity, Internet, heat access to medical care, access to credit cards, and slowly siege you into submission. The people who think guns will be the answer, I ask who will you shoot?
The free states control three key items - food, energy and geography (the free states are largely contiguous, the socialist states are not.)
Starve out the leftist cities for 72 hours and they would break.
Wow. I never really thought about that aspect. Not one single shot needs to be fired. With as much data as the government has on each of us it won't be hard to completely halt an individual's very existence--just by pushing a button. Did you vote the wrong way, join the wrong group, speak the wrong thing at a school board meeting? Suddenly you have no internet, electricity, your debit card doesn't work and armed IRS agents are at your door.
I don't expect a true civil war in the United States, because I think there are very few on the right who would fire on American troops, or even police (FBI, ATF, EPA might be different). But I can definitely foresee battles in the streets between modern Red Guards and Stormtroopers.
Red Guards and Stormtroopers are essentially the same thing - you can consider Antifa and BLM to be the street muscle.
And the left clearly controls the cities. The battle would be to cut the cities off, possibly with truckers blockading the highways.
That debt is going to scar our children and their children. We are bankrupt - morally and fiscally.
Not me. Cash is king.
The trustees are the only people who can effect change at universities. Do they have the courage? I wrote an open letter to them: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/how-to-get-into-harvard-open-letter-to-trustees
Not sure if even the trustees can win when The Arabs and the Chinese are pumping billions into our universities.
It’s to late!
Try this on for size:
https://www.axios.com/2023/03/16/democrats-sympathize-more-palestinians-israelis-gallup
It proves what I have said all along. The Dem/Soc Party is the party of evil. It is now siding with terrorists. No wonder they won't censure the squad. They agree with them.
How can any decent human being vote for the party of terrorism?
I have been thinking- what would the Republicans have to do that would make me not want to vote for them- it would definitely have to be something horrific- but then- could I actually vote for the Democrats? I don’t think so because of their pro abortion stance. I think I would just sit on the sidelines. It’s something worth reflecting on, I think
I feel the same way. I despise Trump but if he is the Rep nominee, I will vote for him over the party of evil.
Whose administration was creating peace treaties in the Middle East while no wars started on their watch? What else do you need to know?
Get past the hyperbole and the anger at spin words and evaluate the deeds. There is no comparison between Repubs and Dems at this time. Two years of, "I have incontrovertible proof Trump is guilty", and a partisan impeachment says much more negative about the Dems than the Repubs. Another partisan not guilty. Most telling leon Panetta, the epitome of integrity?, still asserting his signature on the totally discredited hunter biden laptop story is Russian disinformation letter was a righteous thing to do. Why did the media stop counting lies when joe took over? Did they know his, would far surpass Trump's in number and brazenness?s Remember two promise from biden;
I will find the soul of this country and unite it. He never even tried.
I will fundamentally change this country. Unfortunately he has been very successful at the second.
I am no Trump lover, but what the haters and non thinking Americans forget, get rid the names because it is about the systems stupid! While watching the left's shiny object, Trump, they are stealing your country. You don't need to be woke, just wake up!
Agree. I’m an independent, but I see one party has lost their mind and uses authoritarian tactics to silence and prosecute those who disagree. They will bend the rule of law because the ends justify the means. And many of their members disagree but don’t change anything. That’s not something I can trust. The Republicans just need to get their shit together...or we need a third party.
The new Speaker of the House is a good start, I think.
Abortion, gay rights, environment - what good does it do you to agree with a party on those issues if that party wants you dead?
You probably also have a badly distorted and caricaturish notion about Republicans, brought to you by an increasingly radicalized, leftist media.
If you know that media is lying to you about Israel, why should you trust them to get other issues right? Why would they be so wrong about Israel, yet so right about Republicans.
If you have not heard of it, look up the "Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect"
Sitting on the sidelines results in loading cattle cars with people bound for extermination camps. When they come for YOU don't you hope I am willing to speak up, stand up?
You can’t ever vote for them, the time has come to say “Enough” we are voting you out of power!
Let's hope that happens.
The antisemites are very well organized. They have joined with BLM and ANTIFA to get their membership lists, and they have lots of experience with organizing flash mobs. The similarly of the slogans and the pre-printed placards indicates central control. Jews and our supporters are far behind in terms of use of technology and connectedness; that's why there are so few demonstrations in support of Israel.
Soros...
It didn’t happen overnight. Most of us failed to recognize it for many years. Can it be reversed overnight? Odds say no.
Many of us have been calling this out for years. We received all types of abuse for it.
"Most of us failed to recognize it for many years."
Who, exactly, is "MOST of us"? And who, exactly, is "US"? Millions of people recognize the evil, and the blatant assent to the demonization of Israel! It is just that some actually CARE while the others vilify those who DO! People who believe that evil is GOOD really KNOW that what they believe is evil, but since it is also POPULAR, they also accept it as truth!
Sorry… it should have been a Reply to a comment about Wokeness.
With social media powered by AI it's not going away.
Has more gravitas if done under a name not an alias
I have yet to hear a world leader say that in order to save Palestinians in Gaza, Hamas should immediately lay down their weapons, release the hostages and surrender. It would save a lot of lives if they did. It’s shameful that the press and world leaders don’t.
The press can’t do that because it would concede decades of Democrat foreign policy failure. European countries can’t do that because they imported a shitload of terrorists and they would start massacring people. Arab countries can’t do that because most of their citizens are Muslims who also want to exterminate Jews.
"Arab countries can’t do that because most of their citizens are Muslims who also want to exterminate Jews."
And THAT is the crux of the matter!
The Europeans have nothing on the US at this point.
Smartest comment since this horror show began.
As Close as I've seen
Senior Saudi Journalist Tariq Al-Homayed In Message To Yahyah Sinwar: 'Would You Leave Gaza To Prevent Further Bloodshed[?]'
https://www.memri.org/reports/senior-saudi-journalist-tariq-al-homayed-message-yahyah-sinwar-would-you-leave-gaza-prevent
FINALLY! Someone quoting an article on www.memri.org ! A great source for what Palestinians believe!
Not nearly close enough. The surrender of one man would be nothing more than a strategic tactic.
You're missing The point. If you understand Nothing else, understand This. There is NO free press in Saudi Arabia (And the Arab world). There was a Brief peiod after 9-11 when there was an independent media (Blogs) in the kingdom. That laste2-3-4 years The Kingdom put an end to that.
This has nothing to do with Yahyah Sinwar and if he should Stay or Go. This was published with the blessing/approval of the Saudi government. Otherwise it would never been published. It was a message to Hamas...well actually Iran that (and the broader Arab World) The Saudi's are NOT happy with what is going on. Further, I'd make a small wager that privately and message was sent to the Israelis..You Do What You Have To.
Got it.
Appreciate the explanation.
Maybe next time, include more detail in your original post. Just sayin’.
I'll give it a shot.
Hamas is the Muslim Brotherhood's Palestine branch. There is no love lost between the Brotherhood and the Saudi royal family, so it is possible that that message you reference didn't even need to be sent. The Brotherhood favors clerical rule, (a Sunni version of Iran, in effect) while the Saudi royal family wants to ...well, stay royal.
then they would get billions of aid. and build a real country..
They have received billions and misused them just as Arafat did.
Arafat pocketed most of it.
I wonder if Arafat’s live-in boyfriend also enjoyed paddle boarding.
Nah, he was more into waterboarding.
They are Nazi barbarians. A ‘real country’ is not one of the options.
I have not heard that “deal” mentioned anywhere. Israel does not see this as a hostage crisis. It is a brute fight to survive.
I have come to understand that Hamas and the left here in the States have a lot in common - no retreat, no surrender rather just demand full capitulation.
Agreed
Oh my gosh, I, like many others spend a lot of time thinking about a solution and come up empty. You hit the nail square on the head. Perfect solution!!
Please don't tar all Christianity with the same brush. That would be bigoted. I am in solidarity with you. I have never ever heard preached, in my 68 years, anything like "Jews killed Christ." Now is not the time to trot out that trope because I don't know one Christian or Catholic that is not standing WITH Israel against these atrocities. Look up the heroic saint-priests who were also imprisoned at Auschwitz and died trying to save Jews.
Amen! The ROMANS killed Jesus, and if you read the whole of any of the Gospels, which I recommend, then you would realize even Jesus’ friends and followers were complicit in his death. Peter was redeemed because he was remorseful. Judas was not because he lost hope and took his own life. As a Catholic Christian, please know I am on your side! Divide and conquer your enemies, NOT your friends!
A slight correction, Hecktotheknow. The Catholic Church teaches that ALL of us crucified Christ -- he, the sinless one, took OUR sins to the cross with him; he died for ALL men.
Grateful1, yes exactly! That's what I said in my comment before reading yours.
Noted. You are right. I was speaking in literal, historical terms.
Yes HecktotheNo, I commented before reading yours and said something similar. He seems to be lashing out at everyone- even his friends.
💯 This Catholic stands with the Jewish people.
This Protestant stands with the Jews.
Thank you
As an atheist, I cannot blame the Jews for deicide. In fact, if I were to join a religion for social reasons, I'd become a Jew (but being an atheist, I'm disqualified!) So I'll just support them as best as I can.
Thank you. It means so much when I feel so hated and hopeless
And all my Christian friends in US (and my best friend in Poland). Does the Pope? Do you hear it from the pulpit? Asking.
Most Catholics realize that THIS pope is a leftist stooge from the "liberation theological" school in South America. Forget the saint whose name he appropriated, he is NOT that gentle and thoughtful saint's expression.
I don’t really keep up with the Pope but I was very confused when, in Italy in 2014, I was informed that the current Pope wasn’t the real pope, just a stand-in for his Holiness.
First they came for the United States and I said “hahaha yes so true”.
Then they came for capitalism and I said “hahaha yes so true”.
Then they came for Christians and I said “hahaha yes so true”.
Then they came for white conservatives and I said “hahaha yes so true with the stolen land systemic white oppression”.
Then they came for me and I was like “………SHIT”.
-Jewish Americans who vote for Democrats
I don’t see any redemption for the people in America who believe what the newspapers, social media, the MSM and now I hear that 140 elected Democrats refused to condemn Hamas! How could our MSM BROADCAST a lie about the missile hitting a hospital and killing 500 people? And these aren’t small news media. These are major ones. How can they broadcast lies from a terrorist group. What the hell is wrong with these people? Where is the outrage against Hamas?Are we being turned into a leftist state. How could our young people be so brainwashed to protest against the Jews? I knew it was bad but this is far from that, this is insanity! How can we possibly rid our country of this?
“What the hell is wrong with these people?”
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They are Democrats and Democrats are possessed by Satan.
The youngest few generations are probably lost. Once brainwashed it’s really hard if not impossible to get them back. We need to focus on the current and future generations.
Our education system is full of teachers and administrators who are brainless and brainwashed liberals. We (normal people) need to participate in school boards and volunteer to help in schools any way we can. We need to set up alternative schools. We need to donate money to good schools not the idiots who run schools like Harvard.
Leftists know that if they control education they control the future. We are close to a tipping point. It’s a long haul solution, but really the only one.
It's not only the education system. Gen Z, which make up the 18-24-year-olds who side with Hamas, were mostly raised with no religious faith. They don't have the Biblical foundation of the Ten Commandments and Do Unto Others of the New Testament. They were not raised to believe that murder is a sin that will send you to Hell. If you were raised with that, even if you let your faith lapse and stop practicing, that always stays with you. These Judeo-Christian principles are what helped this country survive this long and get through the Civil War, Great Depression, two World Wars and 9/11.
Without this, I'm afraid we're fucked.
They were raised by the village too.
It is my understanding that when Israel.began in '48 it was full bore socialist but grew out of that fairly quickly.
Donna, I am one year younger than you and that has also been my experience. I do not know any Christians or Catholics who are not heartsick about the tragedy on October 7th. Hamas is completely responsible; it's ludicrous & satanic to say otherwise. Praying for peace in Jerusalem & for Israel.
The Gospel of John and sundry other antisemitic writings remain in the New Testament; while they do it would be wise not to trust any of you one inch. Balls in your court; while that obscenity remains in the Xtian scriptures you are not to be trusted. 2000 years of history shows that.
Yes. I was taught we all killed Jesus. You and me, all of us. He came to die because he knew none of us would ever make it on our own merits or works to reach salvation. He knew our sins before we were even born and sacrificed himself because he loved us that much. “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son”
That is my understanding as well but it is far different than saying the Jews killed Christ.
Well said. The author lost me with the Christians blame the Jews for killing Jesus. Oi Vay!!! I am an active practicing Christian and have NEVER blamed the Jews for crucifying Jesus. I respect the Jews that they don’t believe Jesus is their saviour, the author should also respect that the son of God was crucified by mankind the majority who were too stupid and ego driven to understand the peace and grace of Jesus Christ. 🤦♂️
Totally agree. That little seque certainly changed the tenor of his article.
I'm Christian, but he was not wrong. Jews have historically been blamed for that, called Christ-killers, and even right now I see random comments around the Internet doing the same thing. Or worse: "This happened to the Jews because they don't accept Christ as their Lord and Savior."
So Jews get it from the Muslims and from the Christians, just not as bad as from the Muslims.
I went to Catholic school, and we were never taught to blame the Jews for crucifying Jesus.
How condescending. Thanks man.
It's an old trope that Christianity pushed for eons. We know it's no longer believed. Mr. Oren is describing history.
Amongst literalists and fundamentalists Protestants that belief still has support.
I have to disagree. The literalists and fundamentalists love Israel. Could you be conflating them with extremist "Christian" white supremacy groups who are on the fringe? I don't deny they exist but they are heretical and not accepted by most Christians.
I have heard black Penecostal ministers use this old canard. I’ve also heard the tropes about the red calf and the coming rapture when Jews accept Jesus as the Messiah. I know this is not all Protestants but the sentiment exists amongst some.
In case you haven't noticed, blacks seem to be overrepresented among the loud supporters of Hamas.
OK, for the sake of discussion, I'll stipulate that you're right. But you might want to consider that some conservative Christians are getting a wee bit tired of having their support of Israel critiqued by Israelis and their supporters in the English-language media. Constantly. At some point, if you don't feel that your support is being appreciated, you start to wonder if you should direct your efforts elsewhere.
Most Israelis know that American Christians are their most fervent supporters. Mr. Oren in his distress focuses on the past when he describes Christian attitudes. I have many Christian friends and those attitudes are foreign to them.
Right or wrong be damned. Apparently. Pun intended.
Well I hope and pray a minority of fringe groups.
Pentecosts are fundamentalists. And the rapture may be playing out if Israel stands alone. I'm guessing if He returns in those circumstances He may well be recognized as the Messiah.
They “love” Israel because if all the Jews return to the holy land they get their Armageddon and 2nd coming. Don’t fool yourself.
It seems to me that you have a straw man understanding of Christian feelings towards Israel that lacks nuance and makes a caricature of a huge group of people's deeply held beliefs.
Again, FUNDAMENTALIST EVANGELICALS not ALL Christians. Please pay attention.
Wrong. The Catholic Church (which is the first church- all others are off shoots, including main line Protestant churches) believes no such thing. If you don't want to accept our support of Israel and put "love" in quotes, well I would say that says more about you than the group about which you speak.
Also, the Eastern Orthodox Church would disagree with your “off-shoots” opinion. But point taken.
I’m speaking here of the Evangelical Fundamentalist persuasion, and did not mention Catholics. Slow your roll…
"The Jews killed our Jesus" was Catholic Church policy until 1965, when the Vatican officially rejected it. The Church changed for the better on that issue, for which I thank all of you.
https://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/6A5.PDF
Actually no.
Armaggedon happens when Israel stands alone. Many, many, many of us seek to avoid that.
Well, I hope Israel can find enough people to support it, who hold a FULL range of beliefs Israelis find acceptable. Because it seems to me that, now, Israel needs allies. So, perhaps its voices in the media shouldn't be so picky?
Thank you for pointing out this truth @Donna Hartley Lucas. I grew up in a church in Texas where we prayed for the peace of Jerusalem and loved and blessed Israel. My own upbringing included love and admiration of Israel and Jewish people. I'm devastated at what happened to Israel on October 7th and praying continually for hostages, wisdom and guidance over IDF/Israeli government. As a follower of Jesus, I also pray for any innocent people in Gaza that are truly caught in the middle, but I unreservedly stand with Israel. The anti-semitism that is being exposed all over the world is sickening/shocking, so 1930s like. On another point about who killed Jesus, yes it was the Romans in a technical sense, but really here is exactly what Jesus believed about his forthcoming death and resurrection (no blame on His own beloved people):
John 10:17-18 NLT
[17] “The Father loves me because I sacrifice my life so I may take it back again. [18] No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.”
https://bible.com/bible/116/jhn.10.17.NLT
Love to Israel and Jewish people everywhere.
As one of two Jews who were active in a Christian charitable organization supporting five orphanages in Nicaragua, I only know love from my Christian brothers and sisters.
I just said out loud when I read that part - “he just lost me, I’ve literally never thought of, believed, or been taught the Jewish people were to blame for Christ’s death”...
Most importantly, whether it was the Jewish leaders (not people as a whole), the Romans, and/or us as sinners - the crucifixion was necessary for our salvation so to think blaming anyone for Christ’s death would catalyze a religion in any sense makes...no sense.
Unfortunately, the church has a sordid history of vicious, evil anti semitism. Probably not now and maybe not in your circles. Look up some of Martin Luther’s ( yes, him) statements on Jews for example, and look up the actions of the church in Germany during the holocaust for another example. Also look up “replacement theory”, a widely held philosophy by many many Christians. As a Christian, we must acknowledge that as a group and as individuals, we are capable of evil (obviously), and are often deadly wrong. I believe we must constantly seek truth, fidelity to God’s Word and leave our hearts and consciences open fully, to the leading of God who will always lead us by His Word and His Holy Spirit, away from darkness and deception, to truth and light.
Yes, Amen to allowing the Holy Spirit to lead us into, and keep us in truth. What you wrote about Martin Luther and the most of the German Church during WW2 is true, and I'm keenly aware of this as a believer but even then the true church that was led by the Spirit of God pulled away from the mainline Lutheran National Church of it's day and became the Confessing Church which opposed Hitler and Nazism. Some of their group in the Confessing Church resisted up to and including assassination attempts against Hitler and unto the giving of their own lives in concentration camps for righteousness in defense of Jewish brothers and sisters. The best book I've found on this subject of the smaller number of German Christians that stood against the status quo is "Bonhoeffer: Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy" by Eric Metaxas.
It's tragic that all the church didn't band together and resist this evil, and Hitler himself hated Christians and viewed them as weak as he was a satanic man himself. Martin Luther's horrible comments against Jewish people came at the end of his life and were used against Jewish people by Hitler.
True followers of Yeshua love Jewish people and will stand with them and defend them. As believers, we follow the Resurrected Jewish Man Jesus, He was and always will be Jewish.❤️
Thank you! I came to the comments to say the same thing. I have never ever heard that preached either. Jesus went willingly. He followed the Father’s will.
AMEN!! That whole side paragraph was completely out of left field. Where the hell did he get such a notion?
Yes, I was going to write the same. Thank you.
Exactly. I’ve never heard it either and I’ve been Southern Baptist, nearly wooed by the Catholics and now happily a Methodist. Bringing up what followers of any faith did in the past, as evidence of present guilt, seems to be the justification the antisemites are using. Christians are with you, even if you must disparage us.
Pipe Francis is definitely not standing with Israel.
Examples?
Growing up in the South in the 1970s antisemitism was de rigueur. I used to get asked “What? You don’t believe in Jesus?! What’s wrong with you?” almost daily. And the occasional ass kicking thrown in for good measure. Fun times.
That's horrible. :~(
But that was in the 1970s. I'm looking for present-day examples of Penny's assertion that "too many Christians" are antisemitic.
And 80s, but yes it’s definitely much better. I think a lot changed after 9/11…
Although it’s sometimes still surprising and alarming what people will say openly when they don’t know that you are Jewish.
I recently had someone who didn't know I'm Jewish, tell she had an ad on FB marketplace and people were trying to "Jew her down". I've heard remarks before, but for some reason this hurt me so. Because of current events, I suppose.
I’m truly sorry. That’s awful.
That is truly disturbing! I've lived in the Midwest since 1995--in small towns and in cities--and I've never observed anything like that.
That’s horrible. I’m sorry.
Chilblain - Same. I grew up in Greenville South Carolina, home to Bob Jones University. I can’t count the number of times I was told that ‘my people’ killed Jesus. At first, I tried to have civil discussions, but it was exhausting and fruitless. At my first job as an engineer, in 1998, I would get evangelical tracts left on my desk. I thought it was regional, until I ran into actual Holocaust deniers in the Pacific Northwest, at work. I treasure the people who see me for my humanity and not as a token to collect, and who have the moral courage to see through toxic ideologies.
Holey cow. I grew up in NJ and CA and was never exposed to that.
Somebody commented a month or so ago that Boston was the most prejudiced place they personally witnessed. I think they are rough people. Sounds like your 'hood.
I grew up in the south in the '70s and I did not witness that.
I do not think it is because they are Christians though. Lots of folks would have you believe they are Christian when they are anything but.
I'm not sure if this type of comment will be welcome here because it is personal and religious in nature, but I was deeply upset by this article so I will speak my mind. I do not disagree with the main premise because I have been sick at heart to see this hatred of Jews. I am a Christian and was raised in evangelical Christian America. My childhood was filled with stories about Israel, God's love for Israel, and prayers for Israel. God will not forsake his people. My community was deeply upset when the Israel was forced to give up the high ground of the Gaza strip. I am not an expert and nowhere near as educated about this topic as the author; however, I can assure you that the notion of "Twisting this is a Christian belief that all Jews were present at, and responsible for, the crucifixion." is not apart of our belief system. Neither Jew nor Gentile understood what Jesus was doing, not even his own disciples. We worship Jesus, who is a JEW. We love Israel and bless Israel, God's chosen people. The enemy hates Israel because God is saving all of humanity through Israel. His promises are never null and void.
Katie, all comments and perspectives are welcome here. I feel your solidarity with our pain. Your words are beautiful, and represent the true and heartfelt thoughts of so many true Christians as we all walk through the gates of this new hell. Never be afraid to speak.
Thank you for your kind words. Psalm 122 is my prayer.
... in the house of the LORD! Amen 🙏
Mine too!!!
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” Deuteronomy 6:4. Jesus remarks on this in Mark 12:29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
I don’t know what else we need to hear. I stand with humanity and I know what I stand against. In the end, I know where I will lay myself down if necessary.
At age 82, I have never imagined that Americans could take part in vicious anti Jewish hatred like I have seen and in such numbers. It is appalling.
Americans? Like Rashida Tlain and Ilhan Omar?
“Twisting this is a Christian belief that all Jews were present at, and responsible for, the crucifixion. More than Pilate, more than Judas—a name not chosen randomly—the Jews were damned for deicide.”
I am hardly alone in understanding that ‘this Christian belief’ as stated here was and remains a Christian heresy. The Christian churches to which I have belonged over the past 60+ years believe the Jews to be God’s chosen people for whom Christ died - as He did for all of God’s children. To be clear, someone who claims to be a disciple of Jesus of Nazareth while demonstrating hate for Jewish people is a liar!
My heart breaks for Israel and the Jewish community. It is surreal to live through a time where it is crystal clear how propaganda could have convinced some useful idiots to allow their hate to turn into violence, like in the Holocaust.
Seeing the Hamas/Palestine protests makes me feel ill. Families didn’t even have a day for grief after the horrible attack on the 7th before the concern shifted towards Palestinians. Of course, no decent human wants to see innocent people die on either side of this conflict, but I just can’t fathom how some American progressives and Muslims can not comprehend the gravity of the attack and the lack of support for the Jewish community from these groups is sickening.
Thank you Lily for the most sincere & truthful comment yet
I’m chilled by what you are writing as I have been feeling this for a week now. How we so vastly overestimated our worth and contributions to society that would prevent this and how we underestimated how close we Jews really are. The wake up call has been around for years. It’s now blatantly back, unmasked and terrifying. College students barricaded in campus libraries is just the beginning. We must now be united as one, we must guard and protect our communities, we are all Israelis. Am Israel Chai
You are not alone. I am Catholic and agree with you totally. There are still Christians who will support your efforts in any way we can.
I’m 67 years old and grew up in the suburbs across the Hudson River where many of my Jewish friends also lived. Our community was basically 1/3 Protestant, 1/3 Catholic, and 1/3 Jewish. Yup, we were aware of our religious differences but they meant little. We were invited to our friends bar mitzvah or bas mitzvah and what a wonderful time we had. I remember parents and family so proud of their children reciting the scripture, all the guys wearing a yarmulke/kippah (gentiles too). After college I moved with my husband and 3 daughters from CA to IL and then settling in VA. for past 30 years where we eventually retired. I am shocked and ashamed by many UVA students and their pro-Palestine protests. This is so college and media driven. Let me remind you I’m from NY and can’t believe they melted the Robert E Lee statue in secret in Charlottesville. How do we learn from our past if we obliterate what and why this West Point graduate chose to fight for his southern roots. Sorry to believe that many young people have no allegiance to there hometowns, family beliefs, the American story. What and why is the real reason more people want to live in the USA than any other country!
We live in a place that more people in the world wish to live in than any other country on our planet! Wish the people who were lucky enough to be born here realized how lucky they are and maybe they should be grateful for their blessings.
It seems to me that what we are experiencing now is another manifestation of a phenomena that began millennia ago. The technology and weapons have grown in reach and lethality, but human nature has not changed in the slightest. Both of our designated World Wars began with an increase in anti-semitism. It appears that it is the lot of humanity to have a periodic conflagration to, if nothing else, demonstrate the precious value of peace.
Of course there are antisemitic people, but I actually don't think that's the root of the anti-Zionist protest we're seeing in progressive circles. These are the same people who say all white people are racists and need to be cleansed with DEI training. They are the same people who say trans-women ARE women and tell us to say ridiculous things like "pregnant men". These are the same people who think you should die if you refused to get vaccinated for covid. They are a type. They think they are moral and right and anyone who disagrees with them about these issues is evil and stupid. They take a side and defend it in the face of objective facts that contradict their side. They defend their side even if it drives them to make absolutely outrageous claims. They will not give in no matter how wrong they are because then they have to admit they aren't so righteous and their enemies aren't so evil. These are the people praising the terrorists and siding with Hamas, they have to do it because if they don't side with Hamas, they aren't sticking to the anti-colonialist guns. It would require them to give ground. Their positions drive them to the edge of a cliff and they would rather jump off of it than admit they are wrong.
Very good observation but there is something fundamentally lacking in these peoples lives. They seem to be incredibly narcissistic and void of real purpose. Does joining whatever the latest outraged group cause is fill that empty void? It is my hope the majority will eventually wake up. I’m not sure what it will take. I find the mindless echoing of hate filled chants chilling. It’s definitely a form of brainwashing.
Woke isn’t a political ideology. It’s a religion. And it’s going to be a disaster for us all.
Anti-Semitism may not be the root of what we’re seeing from progressives, but it’s certainly embedded in the Kool-Aid they have drunk. In the end, it’s splitting hairs. If you tear down posters of kidnapped Jewish children and advocate for organizations whose charter is to exterminate Jews, your motivations are beside the point. You’re antisemitic.
Nailed it.
Yeah I don’t think this is because they are antisemites, I think they are dull in their education and misled on a whole host of issues. I am personally becoming weary of this motive-posting stuff. I think it’s safe to say, like you state so well, is bonkers enough at this point they’d drive off a cliff if it meant the right thing to their peers. Doesn’t mean they have anything against living themselves, just so focused on what they perceive their peers believe.
I listened to a BBC anchor "interviewing" an IDF spokesman this morning on NPR in Boston. Actually, she was lecturing him. Thankfully, he wasn't having it, but patiently tried to explain to her that the IDF isn't trying to kill Palestinians. He then said, probably for the millionth time, that the IDF has no choice but to go after Hamas terrorists when they hide behind Palestinian civilians.
Yet the BBC anchor continued to object to this, without disputing the fact that hiding behind civilians is the Hamas strategy. In fact, she said it is a "common practice" of Hamas "militants" to hide behind civilians, as if that somehow justifies it. And she then insisted repeatedly that the IDF retaliation is "not working." Michael Oren is right. Too many so-called journalists in the liberal mainstream media may listen, or pretend to listen, to the Israeli side, but they will never be convinced.
The media drank the KoolAid and it will take a century to undo it
Stay strong. Millions of Americans know the truth. And Israel must do what it must without apology. JUST GET THE JOB DONE.
It will.
You know how these Democrat-funded Palestinian Rapists are known for blowing up pizza shops and then waiting for the ambulances to arrive to detonate a larger secondary blast? This makes me think they might already have the Iranian Suitcase in North Gaza. Just a thought.
Speaking of which, do you think the Los Angeles Times will release the audio of Muslim Communist Barack Hussein Obama, toasting Rashid Khalidi, before or after the aforementioned suitcase explodes?
Also, when the Democrat-funded Iranian suitcase explodes, killing millions, do you think the Global Democrat Left will finally admit that their perverse and psychopathic vision of themselves as magnanimous, pious, and empathetic wizards, who really just love people with brown skin, was actually nothing more than a deceptive ploy to cover up the fact that they were enabling a second Holocaust by behaving like irresponsible pussies?
My analogy about how, when your roommate lets a rabid dog in the house you aren’t really mad at the dog and, while you have to kill the dog first, you also have to beat the shit out of your roommate, continues to be a good analogy.
Nice work Democrats and two-state appeasers.
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Damn ...weird but great post
My initial dark suspicion as to timing was that Iran's nuclear capability was finally sufficiently advanced; and that therefore they gave the 10/7 go-ahead.
Yikes. That reminds me of the "discredited" idea that COVID came from a lab.
We need unfettered and impolitic posters like you!
Muslim communist. Haven't you come up with a better put-down than that after all these years?
Don't I recognize you from Charlottesville, VA some years back? Chanting something about how Jews Will Not Replace us?
All you righties still need to explain that before you start in on the idiots at Harvard.
Fifteen unemployed racist douchebags with torches does not require explaining.
Tens of thousands of Democrats, who want to exterminate the Jews, marching in every city and at all of our top tier universities, requires explaining and a plan for ideological eradication.
Okay, to be fair, it doesn’t require explaining because everyone already knows that Democrats support Hamas because Democrats are despicable communist sacks of shit.
Size and scale always matters.
Idiots on the left control much much more than the few loons on the right.
That control is what is killing the American dream, by design.
Don’t forget to show your Jewish and Israeli friends, colleagues, and neighbors love and support. Don’t be afraid to mention it.
The tiptoeing around this issue to not offend “both sides” in the corporate world is demoralizing for our Jewish colleagues. Speak up. You know the easily offended progressives aren’t being quiet.
Thank you for that encouragement. I have beeen hesitating.
“Palestinian suffering supplanted that of Israelis beheaded, dismembered, and burnt. It was the gnawing awareness that dead Jews buy us only so much sympathy”
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If I was Netanyahu listening to Biden cautioning me to not make mistakes by acting in anger I would have said
“Thank you, Mr. President. I agree, and I would like to caution you, sir, to not shit your pants in front of the Pope and molest your daughter.”
But that’s why I’m not in charge of a country I guess.
I would also struggle not to say that. I lack the temperament to lead a country.
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I am Catholic. I see what you see. My heart breaks. I left my church in my 30's in a defiant flourish. I remember maybe a few years after that, coming home to my apartment in New York on a Friday night. My neighbors across the hall were having Shabbat dinner, reciting the prayers. I leaned my head against my own door, just listening with a longing and sadness in my heart I couldn't understand at the time, but somehow knew meant everything.
Through miracles and grace, I'm back at my Church of birth, and understand deeply where I come from. Know that there are so many brothers and sisters with you, mourning and standing shoulder to shoulder with all of you. I don't know where we are headed, but we will keep the faith with you through everything.
jew hatred , at this point i find term antisemitism tepid. most of the people are jew hating swine who don't give a fig about far worse atrocities against muslims from myanmar to syria . but the jewish state ! oh that's the evil!
Who is killing people in Syria and Myanmar? Jews?
In Syria, it's other Muslims. In Myanmar, it's Buddhists, weirdly enough.
Yep.