This is a statement of fact. It is counter to the conventional "wisdom" of academic and media elites. But it is a fact. The despised, cruel, stupid, George W Bush gave Afghan women a reason to live w/ freedoms they never had. And kindly, empathetic, Uncle Joe pissed it all away, leaving these women to be raped and imprisoned. Your children's high school history teachers won't teach your kids this "inconvenient truth."
As erratic and unpredictable as Trump was, I honestly think that if this Taliban blitzkrieg had been unleashed on his watch, he would have reacted robustly, deal or no deal.
If there’s one thing we can all agree on, it’s that Trump hated to be made to look like a fool. He couldn’t order B-52s and Hellfire missiles to be launched against the media, but he sure could have on the advancing Taliban.
Biden has brought shame on the United States. Perhaps Trump did too in other ways, but not with such tragic consequences, and not with the gallons of blood that are already pouring off Biden’s hands.
Exactly. Trump was a fool for entering into the deal with the Taliban, and lots of people posted about that at the time. But Joe Biden hasn’t had any problem changing Trump’s policies, even those that were working (such as remain-in-Mexico). The fact that Biden continued this disastrous policy, and then just one month ago emphatically denied that Afghanistan would collapse when the US pulled out means that Biden can’t pass the buck here: he owns 100% of this disaster, even if his original intent was merely to implement Trump’s stupid policy.
YES ! Biden and company own this. If Trump was wrong on what to to, Biden is in charge so he needed to do what’s right. We’ll hear a littany of the most contorted versions of “Trump’s fault”. And the media will be (likely are) scrambling to rewrite history.
Trump fans are now criticizing Biden for *not reversing Trump's accomplishments enough.* What a shameless lot you are. It's nothing but red team blue team.
Please understand my point. I totally understand a decision to leave. 75% of Americans agree. THAT is not the issue here. The issue is the pathetic “plan” and execution.
So after honest discussion and decision making, IF that’s the decision then Do It Right.
Biden and his lobotmized supporters are just leaning on a mantra that “Trump said the same thing”. Trump agreed to leave, but not to make a bloody carnival out of it. If Trump had moved from a decision to it’s execution with the same blunders I’d be just as critical of him. The ineptitude will cost a lot of lives.
A decision to do something is different from it’s execution. I sure don’t know why those two basic points are so hard for so many people to separate.
Biden has overturned many agreements done by Trump.
Anyway the issue is not the American withdrawal....the issue is the recklessness with which people in Afghanistan who worked with Americans have been betrayed by Biden administration and its incompetence.
And Obama had his Iran nuclear deal. Trump walked away from that one. Biden could have done the same with Trump’s deal. Neither were binding treaties and in both instances our counterparts were not exactly acting in good faith.
What is incredible is that I had four years of Trump bashing on my social media feeds yet not one comment against Biden for this mess. I hated Trump but if it were him the media bloodbath would never end.
While my heart goes out to these people, I am incredibly angry at our government and, by extension, the people who voted for Biden. Think what you want about Trump, but at least he had a reasonable, measured plan for leaving Afghanistan.
I feel exactly the same way. From the time Biden took office, from the border to oil and gas to fauci fuckups and fascist mandates, and maybe worst of all this tragic and preventable clusterfuck in Afghanistan.
We need to see heads on pikes lining Pennsylvania Ave. But hey, at least the mean tweets have stopped. I am incensed🤬
It's funny that all the Trump voters who cried about needing to have their economic anxiety understood, now think the only reason anyone wouldn't vote for their guy is his tweets.
I agree that Biden's exit plan (or lack thereof) was a complete and utter catastrophe. Biden must take all the blame for this embarrass outcome, but it's excessive to direct any anger towards those who voted for Biden. Afghanistan was not an issue voters gave much weight towards when casting their ballots. Perhaps many would have voted differently if they knew what we do now, but hindsight is 2020 and there's always a next election. This embarrassing outcome will undoubtedly hurt the next Dem presidential candidate.
Afghanistan-Plenty of blame to go around - but the buck stops with Biden and his advisors- a national embarrassment that our adversaries will view as rot and weakness and our allies will view with contempt and fear. A failure of strategy, leadership, and planning that will have repercussions for years to come.
20 years to get their shit together. The fact that our pedigreed elites are so shocked by this is a testament to their incompetence. You could have asked any private in the army, after their first deployment there, if this is exactly how things would have ended - no matter how long we were there making the place safer for the ladies - and they’d have said, “duh!” But, ask some senior military official, or that other type of idiot from some Washington think tank, and they’d have said, “just need more time and I promise that Afghanistan will be the very beacon of democracy.” This was 100% predictable and inevitable. Get over it, hope the best for your Afghan friends that are still there. But this country, America, is super fucked up right now and needs our attention. We can’t want democracy for Afghanistan more than Afghans themselves cares bout Democracy. That’s not a plan for success - it’s a plan for exactly what you’re seeing meow - a cluster f*ck of American hubris.
After all the hypersensitivity of the @metoo movement, where is the outrage for the Afghan women who will be consigned to Taliban barbaric orde of rapists??
Imagine walking in to a room to negotiate a nuclear weapons deal with the Iranians tomorrow… imagine trying to broker peace between Israelis and Palestinians next year… imagine moralizing to the Chinese about slave labor and human rights… imagine a more devastating blow to American foreign policy and prestige over the coming years… who will trust us? Who will believe in the power and resolve of the US?
Be honest. Biden is not in charge. He’s basically an eggplant. And he wasn’t much better than that last November. He is a result of people not liking mean tweets. Well those who voted for him, it’s on them. I suspect the author of this apologia voted for Biden.
Instead of the crap reportage we get from almost everywhere in the DNC press gaslighting the readership regarding Joey eggplant, I wish someone would investigate who actually IS in charge. It’s someone who is in cahoots with China and Iran and wants to destroy this country. My bet is on Soros via ValJar.
I understand people who voted to get rid of Trump. My sister voted to get rid of Trump. He is annoying.
However, if you voted for Joe Biden thinking it would be a shrewd, wise, dignified return to normalcy, you are in an exclusive club of world-class imbeciles.
My heart is shattering. I love America, but our current administration has no heart, no morals, no goodness. In Afghanistan and Cuba he has left our hearts in our fellow humans to be slaughtered. I love America, but I hate those who claim to have been elected to represent us. Abandoning those who trusted us with their life is the definition of selfish evilness. Today I am ashamed of my government even if I love my country.
The woke imbeciles of the Biden administration are in charge and responsible for these deadly decisions in Afghanistan. Foreign policy? We have no more standing to even say those words. The DNC/media are a silly embarrassment. Will any of them wake up from their fantasy?
He also signed inti law the first step legislation that (something Obama never did) that will provide many blacks incarcerated a real chance at freedom and life. He extended title 6 protections to Jewish students (less than 2% of population) on college campuses so that they can contribute to discussions with those that support Hamas and BDS. I've never been a fan of the Don but fair is fair. And yes Biden is man that stands for absolutely nothing.
Tens of billions went straight into the pockets of the military-industrial complex over 20 years, enough for a Marshall Plan to rebuild the country in our image. No one has even tried to audit where that money went. Our legacy media, now just a lapdog of the Deep State, made no effort. Now the amoral plutocrats and their buddies in the Pentagon and Capitol Hill, now that the gravy train has stopped, will abandon our few friends over there to torture and death. There are no words for my contempt for Washington, its resident deep state, and its enablers today. May they never make more billions off another foreign adventure.
This is exactly what it was. We weren't there to help the Afghans build a beacon of democracy. We were there to spend money on equipment and training to enrich the MIC. Most of the equipment went missing or it fell into disrepair because of rampant illiteracy. Training was managed by contractors as well. If they fell short of targets, they would fudge the numbers.
Apparently, this was an open secret. This outcome was entirely predictable. We failed the Afghans LONG before this horrific excuse for a withdrawal. Speaking of which, we pulled all of our air support. Might as well roll out the red carpet. It is pretty obvious that we never intended to help the Afghan people.
EXACTLY THIS. They must be breathing a sigh of relief that their FBI sponsored plan to divide and conquer Americans into feuding tribes courtesy of Donald Trump and white women worked like a charm. If we weren't pointing guns at each other it would have been pointed at them by now.
I wouldn’t worry about Afghanistan falling to the Taliban. The wide open southern border is run by smuggling experts and the intelligence agencies are focused on the Proud Boys. We should be fine.
The adults are in charge. With our allies. America is back!!!
President Joe owns this, try as he might to shift the blame. Whatever happened to "the buck stops here?" It would appear that taking responsibility is no longer part of the job. To be clear , Trump bears some responsibility too, but Biden has been president for seven months.
In truth there is a lot of blame to go around. We have been there 20 years. This demonstrates the vacuous imbecility of our elites/leaders. They are as a group, idiots.
Our credibility on the world stage is gone. The world is now a more dangerous place. Our leaders may be “woke” but are morally bankrupt.
Now is not the time to point fingers and play politics. We must come together as a nation and understand that the world is indeed a dangerous place full of bad actors. Pleading for mercy with religious zealots will never work. G-d help us if Iran or the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan get a hold of nuclear weapons.
Uh, bad news Alan. The JCPOA brokered by Obama (and never ratified by the Senate, which is why Trump could simply repeal it), basically allowed the Iranians to develop nuclear weapons after a sunset period that is now virtually over. It also didn't address Iran's development of ballistic weapons which can now reach Europe, nor did it address Iran's weaponization of conflicts in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Yemen. Incredibly, Biden has tried to resuscitate the JCPOA. And during the Arab Spring when the people of Iran were rising up against the ruling Clerisy, Obama was silent. America has a long history of incompetence with respect to foreign policy, but recent events have taken it to a whole new level. The current tragedy in Afghanistan is the latest and perhaps one of the most shameful examples.
My heart absolutely breaks for the Afghan people. This is inexcusable and I find it difficult to believe that we didn't know this was going to happen. It is sickening and there is absolutely nothing I can do about it which breaks my heart.
Yes. My heart is breaking, too. How can we believe in any of our institutions when we abandon the people who risked their lives to help us and allow them to be slaughtered in cold blood.
Meanwhile, the left rages on about microaggressions, and pronouns. Just days ago, Obama partied with Beyonce at his $12 million mansion on Martha's Vineyard. The world grows sicker and more senseless each day.
I am ashamed of my country for the first time in my life. That we have an administration
that places no value on the loyalty and dedication to the ideals we stand for on the part of allies
who helped us in Afghanistan. Shame on the BIden administation for allowing this to happen. It was all so unnecessary. I am literally crying as I view the scene of these desperate, abandoned
Wonder what the Taliban leaders’ pronouns are?
*Talibxn
LOL
US Govt to fleeing Afghans: "I'm sorry, we're all out of '____' Lives Matter, why don't you come back next year and we can see if we can fit you in?"
he/him/de-nogginizer
Hilarious
This is a statement of fact. It is counter to the conventional "wisdom" of academic and media elites. But it is a fact. The despised, cruel, stupid, George W Bush gave Afghan women a reason to live w/ freedoms they never had. And kindly, empathetic, Uncle Joe pissed it all away, leaving these women to be raped and imprisoned. Your children's high school history teachers won't teach your kids this "inconvenient truth."
Trump signed the deal with the Taliban:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51689443
@MarkS
As erratic and unpredictable as Trump was, I honestly think that if this Taliban blitzkrieg had been unleashed on his watch, he would have reacted robustly, deal or no deal.
If there’s one thing we can all agree on, it’s that Trump hated to be made to look like a fool. He couldn’t order B-52s and Hellfire missiles to be launched against the media, but he sure could have on the advancing Taliban.
Biden has brought shame on the United States. Perhaps Trump did too in other ways, but not with such tragic consequences, and not with the gallons of blood that are already pouring off Biden’s hands.
Exactly. Trump was a fool for entering into the deal with the Taliban, and lots of people posted about that at the time. But Joe Biden hasn’t had any problem changing Trump’s policies, even those that were working (such as remain-in-Mexico). The fact that Biden continued this disastrous policy, and then just one month ago emphatically denied that Afghanistan would collapse when the US pulled out means that Biden can’t pass the buck here: he owns 100% of this disaster, even if his original intent was merely to implement Trump’s stupid policy.
YES ! Biden and company own this. If Trump was wrong on what to to, Biden is in charge so he needed to do what’s right. We’ll hear a littany of the most contorted versions of “Trump’s fault”. And the media will be (likely are) scrambling to rewrite history.
Sorry but we had to leave this disastrous country sometime. Should have been 19 years ago after killing as many terrorists as possible.
Trump fans are now criticizing Biden for *not reversing Trump's accomplishments enough.* What a shameless lot you are. It's nothing but red team blue team.
Please understand my point. I totally understand a decision to leave. 75% of Americans agree. THAT is not the issue here. The issue is the pathetic “plan” and execution.
So after honest discussion and decision making, IF that’s the decision then Do It Right.
Biden and his lobotmized supporters are just leaning on a mantra that “Trump said the same thing”. Trump agreed to leave, but not to make a bloody carnival out of it. If Trump had moved from a decision to it’s execution with the same blunders I’d be just as critical of him. The ineptitude will cost a lot of lives.
A decision to do something is different from it’s execution. I sure don’t know why those two basic points are so hard for so many people to separate.
Not true. Glad to be leaving Afghanistan. Think it was executed poorly. Perhaps you are the shameless shill
We needed to leave. 20 years is plenty long enough. There never was a viable “end game” in Afghanistan.
What would Trump have done? Drop bombs on Kabul? Or send the ground troops back in before withdrawing them again?
Once the US is out, the Taliban will take over. No president, living or dead, could prevent that.
Huh? Weird that this didn’t happen when Trump was President.
Perhaps the willingness to evaporate Soleimani at the airport had some utility?
Biden has overturned many agreements done by Trump.
Anyway the issue is not the American withdrawal....the issue is the recklessness with which people in Afghanistan who worked with Americans have been betrayed by Biden administration and its incompetence.
Does the administration even care?
And Obama had his Iran nuclear deal. Trump walked away from that one. Biden could have done the same with Trump’s deal. Neither were binding treaties and in both instances our counterparts were not exactly acting in good faith.
Orange Man Bad.
Biden is a dignified man who will unite us. Don’t fight it. Just let Biden’s empathy wash over you.
What is incredible is that I had four years of Trump bashing on my social media feeds yet not one comment against Biden for this mess. I hated Trump but if it were him the media bloodbath would never end.
While my heart goes out to these people, I am incredibly angry at our government and, by extension, the people who voted for Biden. Think what you want about Trump, but at least he had a reasonable, measured plan for leaving Afghanistan.
I feel exactly the same way. From the time Biden took office, from the border to oil and gas to fauci fuckups and fascist mandates, and maybe worst of all this tragic and preventable clusterfuck in Afghanistan.
We need to see heads on pikes lining Pennsylvania Ave. But hey, at least the mean tweets have stopped. I am incensed🤬
There are more mean tweets than ever, but now they are all aligned with the Left.
That was the only requirement they ever had.
Yes but there are no mean tweets.
So true.
The loons on the left can wake up every morning knowing that tweets won’t upset their miserable mornings.
It's funny that all the Trump voters who cried about needing to have their economic anxiety understood, now think the only reason anyone wouldn't vote for their guy is his tweets.
Trump would NOT have let this happen.
I agree that Biden's exit plan (or lack thereof) was a complete and utter catastrophe. Biden must take all the blame for this embarrass outcome, but it's excessive to direct any anger towards those who voted for Biden. Afghanistan was not an issue voters gave much weight towards when casting their ballots. Perhaps many would have voted differently if they knew what we do now, but hindsight is 2020 and there's always a next election. This embarrassing outcome will undoubtedly hurt the next Dem presidential candidate.
Oh right, you mean this one?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51689443
Afghanistan-Plenty of blame to go around - but the buck stops with Biden and his advisors- a national embarrassment that our adversaries will view as rot and weakness and our allies will view with contempt and fear. A failure of strategy, leadership, and planning that will have repercussions for years to come.
Why does the buck not stop with the Afghans? Do they not have agency?
Well put.
Trump signed the deal with the Taliban:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51689443
20 years to get their shit together. The fact that our pedigreed elites are so shocked by this is a testament to their incompetence. You could have asked any private in the army, after their first deployment there, if this is exactly how things would have ended - no matter how long we were there making the place safer for the ladies - and they’d have said, “duh!” But, ask some senior military official, or that other type of idiot from some Washington think tank, and they’d have said, “just need more time and I promise that Afghanistan will be the very beacon of democracy.” This was 100% predictable and inevitable. Get over it, hope the best for your Afghan friends that are still there. But this country, America, is super fucked up right now and needs our attention. We can’t want democracy for Afghanistan more than Afghans themselves cares bout Democracy. That’s not a plan for success - it’s a plan for exactly what you’re seeing meow - a cluster f*ck of American hubris.
Completely agree!!
After all the hypersensitivity of the @metoo movement, where is the outrage for the Afghan women who will be consigned to Taliban barbaric orde of rapists??
Imagine walking in to a room to negotiate a nuclear weapons deal with the Iranians tomorrow… imagine trying to broker peace between Israelis and Palestinians next year… imagine moralizing to the Chinese about slave labor and human rights… imagine a more devastating blow to American foreign policy and prestige over the coming years… who will trust us? Who will believe in the power and resolve of the US?
Be honest. Biden is not in charge. He’s basically an eggplant. And he wasn’t much better than that last November. He is a result of people not liking mean tweets. Well those who voted for him, it’s on them. I suspect the author of this apologia voted for Biden.
Instead of the crap reportage we get from almost everywhere in the DNC press gaslighting the readership regarding Joey eggplant, I wish someone would investigate who actually IS in charge. It’s someone who is in cahoots with China and Iran and wants to destroy this country. My bet is on Soros via ValJar.
People love mean tweets as long as they're left-wing mean tweets. We're drowning in them.
Certainly the puppet master, who every he is - wants Iran to be the ruler of the Middle East.
At this point, when the US government meets with Iran, the Iranians are like
“Woah that’s way to anti-American for our tastes.”
#DeportBenRhodes
I understand people who voted to get rid of Trump. My sister voted to get rid of Trump. He is annoying.
However, if you voted for Joe Biden thinking it would be a shrewd, wise, dignified return to normalcy, you are in an exclusive club of world-class imbeciles.
Speaks to our options, doesn’t it?
My heart is shattering. I love America, but our current administration has no heart, no morals, no goodness. In Afghanistan and Cuba he has left our hearts in our fellow humans to be slaughtered. I love America, but I hate those who claim to have been elected to represent us. Abandoning those who trusted us with their life is the definition of selfish evilness. Today I am ashamed of my government even if I love my country.
Agreed. Love my country hate my government
The woke imbeciles of the Biden administration are in charge and responsible for these deadly decisions in Afghanistan. Foreign policy? We have no more standing to even say those words. The DNC/media are a silly embarrassment. Will any of them wake up from their fantasy?
Trump signed the deal with the Taliban:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51689443
Trump also fixed immigration. Developed peace in the ME. robust economy. Low inflation. Low gas prices. ETC. AND BIDEN MANAGED TO FUCK ALL OF THAT UP.
Hard to objectively refute any of those points
He also signed inti law the first step legislation that (something Obama never did) that will provide many blacks incarcerated a real chance at freedom and life. He extended title 6 protections to Jewish students (less than 2% of population) on college campuses so that they can contribute to discussions with those that support Hamas and BDS. I've never been a fan of the Don but fair is fair. And yes Biden is man that stands for absolutely nothing.
Biden is President not Trump. Are you saying that Trump is making decision for Biden?
Quit spamming . . .
Tens of billions went straight into the pockets of the military-industrial complex over 20 years, enough for a Marshall Plan to rebuild the country in our image. No one has even tried to audit where that money went. Our legacy media, now just a lapdog of the Deep State, made no effort. Now the amoral plutocrats and their buddies in the Pentagon and Capitol Hill, now that the gravy train has stopped, will abandon our few friends over there to torture and death. There are no words for my contempt for Washington, its resident deep state, and its enablers today. May they never make more billions off another foreign adventure.
This is exactly what it was. We weren't there to help the Afghans build a beacon of democracy. We were there to spend money on equipment and training to enrich the MIC. Most of the equipment went missing or it fell into disrepair because of rampant illiteracy. Training was managed by contractors as well. If they fell short of targets, they would fudge the numbers.
Apparently, this was an open secret. This outcome was entirely predictable. We failed the Afghans LONG before this horrific excuse for a withdrawal. Speaking of which, we pulled all of our air support. Might as well roll out the red carpet. It is pretty obvious that we never intended to help the Afghan people.
Heck they don’t help the American people, they sure aren’t going to help the afghan people
Sad but true. They are corrupt scum.
EXACTLY THIS. They must be breathing a sigh of relief that their FBI sponsored plan to divide and conquer Americans into feuding tribes courtesy of Donald Trump and white women worked like a charm. If we weren't pointing guns at each other it would have been pointed at them by now.
I wouldn’t worry about Afghanistan falling to the Taliban. The wide open southern border is run by smuggling experts and the intelligence agencies are focused on the Proud Boys. We should be fine.
The adults are in charge. With our allies. America is back!!!
🤡🤡🤡🤡
President Joe owns this, try as he might to shift the blame. Whatever happened to "the buck stops here?" It would appear that taking responsibility is no longer part of the job. To be clear , Trump bears some responsibility too, but Biden has been president for seven months.
Jiao Bideng is just opening it up for China to move in.
In truth there is a lot of blame to go around. We have been there 20 years. This demonstrates the vacuous imbecility of our elites/leaders. They are as a group, idiots.
Our credibility on the world stage is gone. The world is now a more dangerous place. Our leaders may be “woke” but are morally bankrupt.
Now is not the time to point fingers and play politics. We must come together as a nation and understand that the world is indeed a dangerous place full of bad actors. Pleading for mercy with religious zealots will never work. G-d help us if Iran or the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan get a hold of nuclear weapons.
Uh, bad news Alan. The JCPOA brokered by Obama (and never ratified by the Senate, which is why Trump could simply repeal it), basically allowed the Iranians to develop nuclear weapons after a sunset period that is now virtually over. It also didn't address Iran's development of ballistic weapons which can now reach Europe, nor did it address Iran's weaponization of conflicts in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Yemen. Incredibly, Biden has tried to resuscitate the JCPOA. And during the Arab Spring when the people of Iran were rising up against the ruling Clerisy, Obama was silent. America has a long history of incompetence with respect to foreign policy, but recent events have taken it to a whole new level. The current tragedy in Afghanistan is the latest and perhaps one of the most shameful examples.
Neil. Well said.
My heart absolutely breaks for the Afghan people. This is inexcusable and I find it difficult to believe that we didn't know this was going to happen. It is sickening and there is absolutely nothing I can do about it which breaks my heart.
Yes. My heart is breaking, too. How can we believe in any of our institutions when we abandon the people who risked their lives to help us and allow them to be slaughtered in cold blood.
Meanwhile, the left rages on about microaggressions, and pronouns. Just days ago, Obama partied with Beyonce at his $12 million mansion on Martha's Vineyard. The world grows sicker and more senseless each day.
I am ashamed of my country for the first time in my life. That we have an administration
that places no value on the loyalty and dedication to the ideals we stand for on the part of allies
who helped us in Afghanistan. Shame on the BIden administation for allowing this to happen. It was all so unnecessary. I am literally crying as I view the scene of these desperate, abandoned
friends of our country trying to escape.