I was born and raised in NC. I know where Elon University is and have been through there many times. Beautiful campus. It makes me proud to hear people from out of state say such nice things about our hospitality. My parents taught me to be nice and respectful. I do the same thing with my children. Welcome to the south. I’m glad that you’re here.
How rich. Jewish students fleeing schools that their Jewish parents supported policy wise and brought on everyone. This is no different than liberals fleeing blue states because they don't want to pay the higher taxes and crime that they supported by voting it all in.
As a southerner…I’m glad people have finally been able to put aside the negative stereotypes. We are a generally friendly, welcoming and (this should not be shocking) and open minded bunch. My only worry is that the culture that gave us Harvard relocates without adapting to the things that makes living in the south so lovely. Otherwise…y’all come on down. It’s a wonderful place to live.
Great article about smart kids. You’d have to be insane to pay $80K/year for the demoralized DIEvy League. The south is far less bigoted and intolerant than the northeast, plus tailgating in nice weather is far superior to struggle sessions: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/struggle-session-parody-3bodyproblem-harvard
Back to the article, I loved attending Florida. My parents attended Columbia but I knew the ivies and northern life was not for me. For some, I love the fact college is just a checkbox to their future. Life is long and state schools are great. Go Gators!🐊
“ But it used to mean something to go to a really, really good school. I think it means less today. I’m working with clients in organizations that are hiring, and it really doesn’t fucking matter to them where you went to college. You got your degree, and that’s enough.”
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I challenge that this meant something to this person and their culture. It was a huge deal for my parents for me to go to college, considering that neither of their parents attended or graduated, given the time period of the 20s through the 1940s.
Just today I had a client who determined college hadn’t been for him and was contemplating the trades—which can take just as long to train and pay just as if not more than the outcome of a four year degree. My undergrad came from a satellite campus of a good public university. It doesn’t say “satellite campus” on my diploma. It says the name of the institution. Put in the same four years as everyone else at main campus. Ultimately, it’s the work ethic and the effort you put in. It shouldn’t be just the title, and I’m glad to see a perception shift here. Plenty of people took night classes or did community college and have done well for themselves in their lives, and their effort is no less for it because they didn’t go to a top university.
Certainly, among the top five reasons to attend college is to expose oneself to a variety of intellectual viewpoints. A truly liberal education requires the freedom and opportunity to explore a wide range of viewpoints. Exposure to a diversity of perspectives on campus also builds viewpoint tolerance and intellectual humility in college graduates. The Ivys, as well as many other colleges and universities, no longer provide this most basic element of education. By staffing the faculty with nearly 100% leftist thinkers, they have traded their educational purpose for one of indoctrination. Don't send your kids or your money to these cesspools of leftist thinking. There are many fine schools with diverse faculty viewpoints.
Took to the very end, but you knew the underlying point of the story was going to be entirely missed by the main characters.
"I might not agree with the politics in the South . . . " said Francine Katz.
Hey Francine, why do you think your son had to flee the liberal suburbs of Philadelphia to find a place that treats him like an actual person? Maybe it has to do with, idk, the politics of the south.
I know the Free Press serves to make AWFLs feel good about their choices, whatever they might be, but JFC wake up lady. And until then, please stay in liberal land. You can visit, but don't move down here and ruin things for the rest of us.
One of my kids went to an Ivy league school and the others went to state schools. With the financial aid all got, the Ivy League school cost us half as much as the state schools. Their endowments are huge and some of the Ivies use it to help middle class kids attend.
Having said that, if they were going today, I would not allow my son to apply to any of the Ivies. I would encourage him to apply to the University of Chicago, VA Tech, GA Tech, Notre Dame, Holy Cross and then look for other top schools in different areas of the country that got good grades from the ADL. We aren't Jewish, but there is no way I would want an impressionable 18 year old being exposed to the philosophies and hatred of the Ivies' professors and students. Qatar money speaks loudly at the Ivies.
I made the choice to go South for college and I loved it as well. The main reason being that the schools I was looking at in the North were going to take all of my college savings to attend. In the South, I could pay half as much. My only regret is that I wish I had stayed to work and start a family. While I am able to provide for my families needs, I suspect my quality of life would have been far better had I stayed in the South. No one has cared where I went to school….
It seems that much of the administration and teaching staff at the antisemitic league schools (Harvard, Columbia, Yale, etc) are intolerant and close-minded ideologues. As a result, many students from these indoctrination factories are damaged goods - ill-prepared for life in the real world.
It's ironic how this article simultaneously touts how southern universities are drawing students that are sick of the leftist nonsense of elite universities, while simultaneously insulting the south and its people in the typical condescending, snobby tone we've come to expect from the left. Bless your heart.
I was raised in Boston in the 1980's and attended a relatively prestigious prep school. There was a LOT of pressure to get into an Ivy League school and if you could not do that then it at least had to be a high level second tier school like Boston College or Boston University. If you were going to go to a state school it had to be something like U Mass Amherst. Harvard, Dartmouth, Yale, Brown, those were the schools you were expected to look at. Georgetown was Ok as it is in DC. You sure as heck did not want to announce you went to a small state school like U. Lowell or Salem State. You sure as heck did not look south. Stanford was Ok, but always a bit tainted by being in CA and still relatively new. Georgia? You had to be nuts.
Long story short, I ended up in the military. When I got out after Desert Storm the state offered free tuition to any veteran from the state who served. Having not been in school for 6 yrs I decided to go to a local state college to get back into it. Thought I would do a year then transfer to BC or one of the Ivy League. I never left. Loved the school. But in my Sophmore year I did consider it until I took my first 300 level course in economics. The professor was an adjunct who also taught the same course at Harvard. I asked him what the difference was. Was the syllabus or the book different? The tests? He told me he taught the exact same material in exactly the same way and graded is exactly the same way. A light went off for me then. Why would I go tens of thousands of dollars in debt, lose my free tuition, have to move into the city at large expense, to get the same basic thing, less the "brand". One of the best personal and financial decisions I have ever made.
Today, I am a hiring manager. Most years I hire between 20 and 50 people. I can tell you in all honesty that I almost NEVER read the education section on a resume unless I am hiring a recent grad. Even then, I am more interested in what they studied, how they performed and what jobs they held, what internships they did, while in school. I am more likely to hire a kid from Ole Miss with a degree in Economics and a 3.6 GPA and who worked their way through school than I am to hire the Brown grad with a 3.8 GPA with a degree in "business" and who traveled and did crew. That is not an absolute, but it is certainly my tendency. Interviews matter. I look for good people, people with good attitudes and character before I look at anything else. I look for problem solvers. And, if I am being totally honest, I have developed a prejudice against the Ivy League grads, the liberal private schools. Too much entitlement, not enough resiliency, too much of a sense that checking boxes deserves respect, potentially a problem on the team.
We live in Connecticut and I won't send my kids to college out here. The culture in the Northeast is awful, all the way down.
I'm from the Midwest. I'll pay for a Midwestern or Southern university.
But the Northeast? No. Living here is like living among the Romanovs in 1916. Their dominance is over; they just don't know it yet.
The future of America is in flyover country.
I was born and raised in NC. I know where Elon University is and have been through there many times. Beautiful campus. It makes me proud to hear people from out of state say such nice things about our hospitality. My parents taught me to be nice and respectful. I do the same thing with my children. Welcome to the south. I’m glad that you’re here.
"Southern Miss has just 38 percent minority enrollment among around 10,000 undergrads."
"just 38%"?
Isn't that kind of what "minority" means? If it's over 50%, you're the majority, whether there are 100 students or 100,000.
How rich. Jewish students fleeing schools that their Jewish parents supported policy wise and brought on everyone. This is no different than liberals fleeing blue states because they don't want to pay the higher taxes and crime that they supported by voting it all in.
As a southerner…I’m glad people have finally been able to put aside the negative stereotypes. We are a generally friendly, welcoming and (this should not be shocking) and open minded bunch. My only worry is that the culture that gave us Harvard relocates without adapting to the things that makes living in the south so lovely. Otherwise…y’all come on down. It’s a wonderful place to live.
Great article about smart kids. You’d have to be insane to pay $80K/year for the demoralized DIEvy League. The south is far less bigoted and intolerant than the northeast, plus tailgating in nice weather is far superior to struggle sessions: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/struggle-session-parody-3bodyproblem-harvard
Back to the article, I loved attending Florida. My parents attended Columbia but I knew the ivies and northern life was not for me. For some, I love the fact college is just a checkbox to their future. Life is long and state schools are great. Go Gators!🐊
“ But it used to mean something to go to a really, really good school. I think it means less today. I’m working with clients in organizations that are hiring, and it really doesn’t fucking matter to them where you went to college. You got your degree, and that’s enough.”
—————————————————-
I challenge that this meant something to this person and their culture. It was a huge deal for my parents for me to go to college, considering that neither of their parents attended or graduated, given the time period of the 20s through the 1940s.
Just today I had a client who determined college hadn’t been for him and was contemplating the trades—which can take just as long to train and pay just as if not more than the outcome of a four year degree. My undergrad came from a satellite campus of a good public university. It doesn’t say “satellite campus” on my diploma. It says the name of the institution. Put in the same four years as everyone else at main campus. Ultimately, it’s the work ethic and the effort you put in. It shouldn’t be just the title, and I’m glad to see a perception shift here. Plenty of people took night classes or did community college and have done well for themselves in their lives, and their effort is no less for it because they didn’t go to a top university.
Certainly, among the top five reasons to attend college is to expose oneself to a variety of intellectual viewpoints. A truly liberal education requires the freedom and opportunity to explore a wide range of viewpoints. Exposure to a diversity of perspectives on campus also builds viewpoint tolerance and intellectual humility in college graduates. The Ivys, as well as many other colleges and universities, no longer provide this most basic element of education. By staffing the faculty with nearly 100% leftist thinkers, they have traded their educational purpose for one of indoctrination. Don't send your kids or your money to these cesspools of leftist thinking. There are many fine schools with diverse faculty viewpoints.
Took to the very end, but you knew the underlying point of the story was going to be entirely missed by the main characters.
"I might not agree with the politics in the South . . . " said Francine Katz.
Hey Francine, why do you think your son had to flee the liberal suburbs of Philadelphia to find a place that treats him like an actual person? Maybe it has to do with, idk, the politics of the south.
I know the Free Press serves to make AWFLs feel good about their choices, whatever they might be, but JFC wake up lady. And until then, please stay in liberal land. You can visit, but don't move down here and ruin things for the rest of us.
One of my kids went to an Ivy league school and the others went to state schools. With the financial aid all got, the Ivy League school cost us half as much as the state schools. Their endowments are huge and some of the Ivies use it to help middle class kids attend.
Having said that, if they were going today, I would not allow my son to apply to any of the Ivies. I would encourage him to apply to the University of Chicago, VA Tech, GA Tech, Notre Dame, Holy Cross and then look for other top schools in different areas of the country that got good grades from the ADL. We aren't Jewish, but there is no way I would want an impressionable 18 year old being exposed to the philosophies and hatred of the Ivies' professors and students. Qatar money speaks loudly at the Ivies.
Mom of a Clemson grad. We were 100% concerned about sending a Jewish kid from NY there. Best decision ever.
I made the choice to go South for college and I loved it as well. The main reason being that the schools I was looking at in the North were going to take all of my college savings to attend. In the South, I could pay half as much. My only regret is that I wish I had stayed to work and start a family. While I am able to provide for my families needs, I suspect my quality of life would have been far better had I stayed in the South. No one has cared where I went to school….
It seems that much of the administration and teaching staff at the antisemitic league schools (Harvard, Columbia, Yale, etc) are intolerant and close-minded ideologues. As a result, many students from these indoctrination factories are damaged goods - ill-prepared for life in the real world.
It's ironic how this article simultaneously touts how southern universities are drawing students that are sick of the leftist nonsense of elite universities, while simultaneously insulting the south and its people in the typical condescending, snobby tone we've come to expect from the left. Bless your heart.
I was raised in Boston in the 1980's and attended a relatively prestigious prep school. There was a LOT of pressure to get into an Ivy League school and if you could not do that then it at least had to be a high level second tier school like Boston College or Boston University. If you were going to go to a state school it had to be something like U Mass Amherst. Harvard, Dartmouth, Yale, Brown, those were the schools you were expected to look at. Georgetown was Ok as it is in DC. You sure as heck did not want to announce you went to a small state school like U. Lowell or Salem State. You sure as heck did not look south. Stanford was Ok, but always a bit tainted by being in CA and still relatively new. Georgia? You had to be nuts.
Long story short, I ended up in the military. When I got out after Desert Storm the state offered free tuition to any veteran from the state who served. Having not been in school for 6 yrs I decided to go to a local state college to get back into it. Thought I would do a year then transfer to BC or one of the Ivy League. I never left. Loved the school. But in my Sophmore year I did consider it until I took my first 300 level course in economics. The professor was an adjunct who also taught the same course at Harvard. I asked him what the difference was. Was the syllabus or the book different? The tests? He told me he taught the exact same material in exactly the same way and graded is exactly the same way. A light went off for me then. Why would I go tens of thousands of dollars in debt, lose my free tuition, have to move into the city at large expense, to get the same basic thing, less the "brand". One of the best personal and financial decisions I have ever made.
Today, I am a hiring manager. Most years I hire between 20 and 50 people. I can tell you in all honesty that I almost NEVER read the education section on a resume unless I am hiring a recent grad. Even then, I am more interested in what they studied, how they performed and what jobs they held, what internships they did, while in school. I am more likely to hire a kid from Ole Miss with a degree in Economics and a 3.6 GPA and who worked their way through school than I am to hire the Brown grad with a 3.8 GPA with a degree in "business" and who traveled and did crew. That is not an absolute, but it is certainly my tendency. Interviews matter. I look for good people, people with good attitudes and character before I look at anything else. I look for problem solvers. And, if I am being totally honest, I have developed a prejudice against the Ivy League grads, the liberal private schools. Too much entitlement, not enough resiliency, too much of a sense that checking boxes deserves respect, potentially a problem on the team.